DoddPower
6 years ago

I think there comes a point where too much change begins to erode the possibility of improvement.
There is a new OC.
There is a revamped offensive playbook.
There is no longer Jordy.
There is now Graham.
Without anything else happening that's a lot of change. Now if you consider adding Bryant and cutting Cobb....wow. Do they really need to go that far? I hope not.

I hope that the new OC and offensive plan will help Cobb and Graham will prove to be a good signing. At least I believe that's been part of the plan all along. That would leave the only hole at the #3 wr position with about 8 players trying to win that spot. I don't see the need for a whole lot more change to end up starting the season in very good shape with our passing game.

Not to forget they need to have a hot start this year the way the schedule is set up. They need to win early and often before that very tough middle of season schedule. They don't have the luxury of time to work their way into becoming familiar with one another.

They've made plenty of changes between players, coaches, and playbook. More than this offense has seen in many years combined. Find a viable #3 and get to work and they will be fine.




Originally Posted by: warhawk 


Good points, but that "#3" could end up the #1 sooner rather than later, considering Adams injury history. I don't consider Graham a #2 WR, and I'm hard pressed to call Cobb anything more than a decent slot receiver. Therefore, the Packers aren't far away from a rookie or Allison being the #1 and/or #2 WRs. Scary.

With that being said, ultimately Bryant likely isn't the answer. But if Adams goes down with another concussion at any point in the season, it sure would be nice to have him.
nerdmann
6 years ago

Good points, but that "#3" could end up the #1 sooner rather than later, considering Adams injury history. I don't consider Graham a #2 WR, and I'm hard pressed to call Cobb anything more than a decent slot receiver. Therefore, the Packers aren't far away from a rookie or Allison being the #1 and/or #2 WRs. Scary.

With that being said, ultimately Bryant likely isn't the answer. But if Adams goes down with another concussion at any point in the season, it sure would be nice to have him.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I’m leaning that way myself.

Bryant is a head case, but in a good way. He wants to win.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DoddPower
6 years ago

I’m leaning that way myself.

Bryant is a head case, but in a good way. He wants to win.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yeah, Bryant might not be the guy, but the Packers need more passion. Badly. Overall, they are a very ho-hum team lately.
Zero2Cool
6 years ago
I have what I would assume most say is an unhealthy dislike for Cowboys in the general sense. So, I have to ask, what has Dez Bryant actually DONE that makes him a headcase and such an awful teammate? I have to ask because I've not been able to find out much other than a player who has a helluva fiery passion to win.
warhawk
6 years ago

Good points, but that "#3" could end up the #1 sooner rather than later, considering Adams injury history. I don't consider Graham a #2 WR, and I'm hard pressed to call Cobb anything more than a decent slot receiver. Therefore, the Packers aren't far away from a rookie or Allison being the #1 and/or #2 WRs. Scary.

With that being said, ultimately Bryant likely isn't the answer. But if Adams goes down with another concussion at any point in the season, it sure would be nice to have him.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 


It's crazy how fast things can change. IF they went the route of cutting Cobb and signing Bryant and Adams did happen to go down Arod would not have one starter from '17 on the field. Not one. I get that it would be good to have Bryant if Adams goes down but this scenario is scary in it's own right.

Still, as scary as these scenarios may sound it's not like they are void of talent and options. Graham is really just a huge WR labeled a TE and they have Montgomery who will certainly be utilized in the passing game. They can run umpteen different passing formations and with Rodgers ability to diagnose defenses he will find their weakness'.
No doubt, however, a couple of these other receivers need to step up or Gute will have to make a move somewhere. They have thrown enough at the wr position that it warrants letting it work itself out before jumping off in another direction this early.




"The train is leaving the station."
nerdmann
6 years ago

I have what I would assume most say is an unhealthy dislike for Cowboys in the general sense. So, I have to ask, what has Dez Bryant actually DONE that makes him a headcase and such an awful teammate? I have to ask because I've not been able to find out much other than a player who has a helluva fiery passion to win.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



He gets pissed when the team is not winning. He calls people out.

How many times have we seen Mike’s teams come out flat and unemotional in extremely meaningful games (and regular games as well?)

Dez isn’t the most precise route runner though. Also not a guy wih deep speed, per se.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DarkaneRules
6 years ago
When Brady does it, he's passionate. When Dez does it, he's a headcase. Hmm...
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
Zero2Cool
6 years ago

He gets pissed when the team is not winning. He calls people out.

How many times have we seen Mike’s teams come out flat and unemotional in extremely meaningful games (and regular games as well?)

Dez isn’t the most precise route runner though. Also not a guy wih deep speed, per se.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



He gets pissed when the team isn't winning? GOOD! He should get pissed! Everyone should be pissed!

Dez won't beat you deep? What do you qualify as deep? Each season since he's been in the NFL he's had at least a long of 46 yards with season longs since his rookie season as follows. 46, 50, 85, 79, 68, 51, 56 and 50 yards. He's had 73 receiving touchdowns in 113 games.

I'm not trying to be his agent here, but I think he can beat you deep. Then again, he hasn't caught a pass longer than 68 yards since 2014.

I know we all say the same damn thing... for the right price, blah blah stfu blah. I really believe Adams, Cobb and Graham are going to make things so easy on the rest of the WR's that we don't need Dez Bryant. Especially since he's probably going to want at least $5 million a year.


I also wouldn't get rid of Randall Cobb for Dez Bryant either. While I have read players say Bryant is a good teammate, I feel Cobb is a better leader.

I have to say no to Dez.

Not because I think he's a "headcase" or any of that, because honestly, I don't think he is. I just rather see that money used to re-sign Muhammad Wilkerson, HaHa Clinton-Dix, or even Clay Matthews or Randall Cobb using some of that 2018 cap left over for the 2019 folks.
nerdmann
6 years ago

He gets pissed when the team isn't winning? GOOD! He should get pissed! Everyone should be pissed!

Dez won't beat you deep? What do you qualify as deep? Each season since he's been in the NFL he's had at least a long of 46 yards with season longs since his rookie season as follows. 46, 50, 85, 79, 68, 51, 56 and 50 yards. He's had 73 receiving touchdowns in 113 games.

I'm not trying to be his agent here, but I think he can beat you deep. Then again, he hasn't caught a pass longer than 68 yards since 2014.

I know we all say the same damn thing... for the right price, blah blah stfu blah. I really believe Adams, Cobb and Graham are going to make things so easy on the rest of the WR's that we don't need Dez Bryant. Especially since he's probably going to want at least $5 million a year.


I also wouldn't get rid of Randall Cobb for Dez Bryant either. While I have read players say Bryant is a good teammate, I feel Cobb is a better leader.

I have to say no to Dez.

Not because I think he's a "headcase" or any of that, because honestly, I don't think he is. I just rather see that money used to re-sign Muhammad Wilkerson, HaHa Clinton-Dix, or even Clay Matthews or Randall Cobb using some of that 2018 cap left over for the 2019 folks.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



My main concern is Davante’s concussion history. It’s obvious that teams (the Vikings, for instance) are going to continue taking cheap shots at Davante’s helmet. It is also clear that the Packers aren’t going to do anything about it.

The Packers need speed, but they also need perimeter guys. Cobb is not that. If Davante goes down, our #1 is Ty Montgomery. Remember last year when the CBs started dropping like flies?

I don’t view Dez as Jesus, but he’s an option.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Cheesey
6 years ago
Sign the guy! We NEED some passion on this team!
And he knows his time is short to win a ring.
I think some don’t want him because he was a Cowboy. Well, Woodson was a Raider, and Reggie White was a Eagle. If they helped us, who CARES what team they WERE on?
If you are a Packer NOW, and help us win, then I am your fan.

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