Barfarn
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7 years ago
Alexander’s talent projects nicely to his potential to become a solid NFL CB. Watching him 2 yards off LOS and beginning his track of Mike Williams [#7 pick in ‘17] with flat feet and seeing him smoothly flip and run stride for stride like he’s Williams’ shadow with the sun at 12 o’clock is a thing of beauty.

In the ’17 Syracuse game he lined-up across from Sr. WR Steven Ishmael. Ishmael was a nice college WR [Set a bunch of team records], but did not get drafted. Ishmael is 6-2, 212 and ran a 4.59 at combine and the Exchange had him rated as #46 WR. He recently signed with INDY as an UDFA. Statistically, Jaire gave up 1 catch for 8 yards; but in 4 plays [at 1:00, at 1:25 a 2:03 and 4:06 in this VIDEO ] Jaire had mediocre to poor coverage that would have seen Jaire give up 5 catches 150 yards and a TD if the QB play was better. On these 4 plays Jaire was poor or lazy with his technique: coming out of back-pedal too fast; opened up his hips too soon; lunging on a double move slowing his recovery; and taking long loping strides running back on an “angle” instead of shorter piston steps. In the Syracuse game and many others Jaire’s technique, like the play described above against Williams, was lazy to poor. However, because of the athletic disparity between Alexander and mostly WRs that have no hope of playing Sundays, Alexander was able to recover. Many of Alexander’s “signature plays,” like making an INT in man coverage in RZ against 2016 #7 pick Williams resulted from poor QB play. Williams broke on a short IN leaving Alexander 3 yards behind, Deshaun Watson threw way behind Williams and Jaire was able to close and INT.

Fact is, the Jaire exemplified by the college “tape” reviewed is simply incapable of playing in the NFL. Qualification for the more emotional: Jaire’s situation describes 99% of the college players drafted including Denzel Ward.

Outside of staying healthy, there is one thing and one thing alone will determine whether Jaire ends up a bust or selling ocean-view real estate on “Jaire Island:” his ability and want to take coaching. Trea Wayens has more athleticism and talent in his baby finger than Richard Sherman has in his entire body; yet Wayens rides the pines and Sherman is a perennial pro-bowler. This proves that a draftee’s mental aptitude is the single most important variable to determine if a kid is going to make it.

The trade-up for Jaire proved he was a long-planned target. He was not an afterthought occurring when all of GB’s targets were taken and a trade-down failed to presented itself. However, according to Nagler, who claims to know Jaire’s agent [John Thornton] very well, GB’s pick of him was a 100% total surprise, they had no idea GB was interested.

Prospects usually know which teams are sniffing. The prospect might get a call, for example, from their HS coach and/or present or past position coaches informing them that GB made contact. Scouts will spend extra time at events and all-star games and visit with the prospect multiple times on campus, etc. Much of this extra work is done after the scheduled season is over, which Jaire short-circuited this process by quitting before the bowl game and hiring an agent 2 weeks later. This made him ineligible for all-star games and all visits were scheduled thru the agent as opposed to scouts showing up on campus after speaking to someone at the university. This agent would have known just about everything concerning GB’s interest and there appeared to be none.

Gutekunst could have had this kid for an ENTIRE day on a visit. GB usually sends flunkies to pick up visiting players at the airport, would Jaire act like a douchebag and suddenly Eddie-Haskell-it once arriving at the complex? The agents know about and will warn about this “trick,” but ya gotta imagine there’s a ton of creative ways to learn how a kid acts when he thinks no one is watching. A ton could have been learned about this kid’s character with 2-3-4-5 campus visits or grabbing him in the hallway a couple of times for 5 minutes at the combine or just having a meal with him and talking about the mundane. I suspect Gutekunst strategized to sacrifice learning as much as possible about this kid as a subterfuge to GB’s actual interest.

A team possesses a legitimate interest in concealing their interest in a player; however, it is patently reckless to sacrifice every single extra critical opportunity to learn the most important things about a prospect. This was a huge mistake that should not be repeated.
Zero2Cool
7 years ago
Somehow, someway, I've already grown tired of someones constant bullshit about this regime and sadly enough, this regime hasn't even given us a training camp. Narrow minded arrogant bullshit constantly spewed. What a waste of time.

Oh, to answer the topic question. NO, they didn't go too far with secrecy. Unreal the depth we're willing to go to bitch about things.
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DarkaneRules
7 years ago
What interests me is Burks. I think he's the biggest secret/mystery. If there was a pick where we specifically went up to get a guy, it was Oren Burks. This guy is the new inside linebacker. He can rush, defend against the run, move sideline to sideline insanely fast, and is quite competent out in coverage (has work at safety in his resume). Will he live up to the trade up and his potential? That will be a guy I'll be watching closely.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
nerdmann
7 years ago
One might suggest the Packers screwed up on Demarious Randall as well. Dude turned out to be a bit of a head case. But we got some good coverage out of him, then traded him for equivalent value.
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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

One might suggest the Packers screwed up on Demarious Randall as well. Dude turned out to be a bit of a head case. But we got some good coverage out of him, then traded him for equivalent value.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



BREAKING NEWS!
Humans make mistakes!!

Twitter goes wild! Facebook can't handle THIS!!

Sorry, just a little fed up with all bashing and slights. We have 11 new kids who want nothing more than to make the 2018 Packers gooder and we're wasting time with this shit.
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gbguy20
7 years ago
First thread it was too much talking, now it's too much secrecy. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with you.
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wpr
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7 years ago

First thread it was too much talking, now it's too much secrecy. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with you.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



Well if you hate the dude it doesn't matter what he does. You still hate him. 🙄
If Goot is lucky enough to real in 3 SBs some will ask why he didn't get 4 or 5.
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beast
7 years ago
I think Barnfarn is taking secrecy too far with failure to express his self esteem issues.

Why else would he keep writing long as hell, complete bullshit articles? Even clearly contradicting himself!

First thread it was too much talking, now it's too much secrecy. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with you.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



I'm serious... this is a change in Barnfarn correct? Or is this normal? If it's a change, then I'm seriously wondering what's wrong or what changed him.

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Bigbyfan
7 years ago
Wow.... You must be a real pleasure to be around in real life.
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Smokey
7 years ago

What interests me is Burks. I think he's the biggest secret/mystery. If there was a pick where we specifically went up to get a guy, it was Oren Burks. This guy is the new inside linebacker. He can rush, defend against the run, move sideline to sideline insanely fast, and is quite competent out in coverage (has work at safety in his resume). Will he live up to the trade up and his potential? That will be a guy I'll be watching closely.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



I don't know a lot about Burks either. He does have youth, speed, and at 6'3" he has good height. He can and most likely will add 10 to 15 lbs of muscle to his already 233 lb weight.

I expect to see him on Special Teams for his 1st season as he learns and bulks up some. I don't see him challenging for a starting spot, but others like Biegel had better be ready to challenge Ryan for his ILB spot.

Burks could be a starter by the 2019 Season.

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