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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

6 years ago

As great as Rodgers is, I have to think that if Minnesota succeeds in signing Cousins, the Vikings instantly become the runaway favorites to win the division next season. Statistically, Cousins has been a top-three quarterback since 2015, despite helming some questionable rosters. Pair him with Minnesota's excellent receivers, solid running back, productive tight ends, and more-than-respectable offensive line -- not to mention their outstanding defense -- and it's hard not to think Green Bay is going to be stuck playing catch-up this offseason. Signing Graham will help tilt the balance a bit in the Packers' favor, but not enough to compensate for the gaping holes in the defense. I can't wait to see what kind of magic Gutekunst and company pull out of their hats on draft day.

sschind
Senior Member Topic Starter

6 years ago

#22

I would be shocked if we didn't sign a veteran corner at some point but, again, free agency hasn't started yet.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules

For some reason I thought I had read that the signing started at 11:00 am our time. I posted around 11:30 I think. I was hoping for two things just to liven it up a bit. First a little more heat for being all doom and gloom (props to you all for being so civil) second, with my last sentence, that everyone would know I was being sarcastic. You had to know that someone would post something similar and be serious about it so I was thinking I'd head them off at the pass. Perhaps you all did figure it out and that's why you were so kind.

Anyway, its now 4:30 and it seems we are signing Jimmy Graham and cutting Jordy Nelson to make room for him cap wise. I don't know how to feel about it until I see the numbers. JG definitely improves our TE position. With Rodgers throwing him the ball he could be a top 5 TE easily. Kind of sucks to lose Jordy but it was almost inevitable. Seems kind of unceremonious the way it was done and it seems clear to me that Gute's words indicate that there is not much chance he will be back at a cheaper price although that is certainly possible.

I think the Packers could have made a worse signing. Other than salary I don't think JG has a lot of downside. I still think he has the talent and can be super productive oer the next three years (well, 2 because even without knowing the numbers I'm guessing he doesn't make 3 but that's just a hunch) and has less risk involved than some of the other high level FAs (Johnson, Robinson, Watson for example)

Still, so far this off season we have weakened our CB position and our WR position and strengthened our TE position. I also think we have strengthened our backup QB position but I'm not 100% convinced of it. At least there is movement lets see what the next few weeks bring.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

6 years ago

#23

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

We've been runaway favorites often. Didn't do us shit.

wpr
Preferred Member

6 years ago

#24

I am a little disappointed that there have been no CBs linked to us including the obvious re-signing of House at this point. Also curious that we have not seen any moves on our part concerning restructure or cutting of Matthews, Cobb, Nelson and Bulaga.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla

You're a man ahead of his time.

I expect other cuts or restructuring to follow.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

6 years ago

#25

Let’s see....Minnesota had THREE decent QBs, and let all three walk to sign one that hadn’t really accomplished anything yet. Does that make them the front runner?
Keenum led them almost to a super bowl, and they let him walk. So a guy that doesn’t know their system, or their players, is going to be great?
They rolled the dice, and I wouldn’t doubt if it blows up in their collective faces.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

6 years ago

#26

Let’s see....Minnesota had THREE decent QBs, and let all three walk to sign one that hadn’t really accomplished anything yet. Does that make them the front runner?

Keenum led them almost to a super bowl, and they let him walk. So a guy that doesn’t know their system, or their players, is going to be great?

They rolled the dice, and I wouldn’t doubt if it blows up in their collective faces.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Vikings did not have three decent QB's. Vikings had a system that two QB's produced well in. When you have a suffocating defense, your offense just has to play within itself.

Teddy Bridgewater isn't even going to start for the New York Jets.

All Kirk Cousins (or whomever is QB) has to do is not turn the ball over and be efficient and that incredible defense will do the rest. The key factor to that offense was Pat Shurmur, he was the key and he is GONE. So if the Vikings offense flounders under Kirk, let's be cognizant that Shurmur was one helluva an offensive coordinator.

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

6 years ago

#27

Bingo.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

nerdmann
Premier Member

6 years ago

#28

The Vikes had to cheap shot our QB in order to beat us. They kept taking shots on Davante too, after he had just come back from that severe Thursday nighht concussion, 10 days before.

They are pretenders.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Cheesey
Preferred Member

6 years ago

#29

All Kirk Cousins (or whomever is QB) has to do is not turn the ball over and be efficient and that incredible defense will do the rest. The key factor to that offense was Pat Shurmur, he was the key and he is GONE. So if the Vikings offense flounders under Kirk, let's be cognizant that Shurmur was one helluva an offensive coordinator.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

So....all he has to do is what Keenum did.
So throwing a ton of money at a guy that couldn’t lead whoever he was playing for to a championship is the answer?
I hope I am right. Not because i want to look so smart, but because I want the Vikings to fail!

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