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PackerTraxx
6 years ago

If a player doesn't get into Hall of Fame in the first handful of tries, how do they get in decades later? Did they get better? Did the myths and legends grow so much they couldn't be ignored?

Good another Packers player is in, I just don't really see how a player gets voted in decades later.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I read somewhere that the "AFL" owners would not vote Jerry in because the Lombardi teams had too many players in and the Packers kicked their asses in the first two Super Bowls. No way to know how true that is. In any case it was an extreme injustice. When a player is voted the best guard during the first 50 years of football and to the All Decade team, among other accolades, and is the only player from either of those two teams not in the HOF, it certainly looks like some form of collusion.

I'm glad he is finally in. It would have been a shame if he would never have made it or if he had gotten in posthumously.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Cheesey
6 years ago
As so many "glory days" Packers have been let in in the last 50 years, that doesn't seem like the case.
Did Kramer tick off some of the guys that make the decision? I don't know.
I know he admitted in the past that he acted like his crap didn't stink for a long time. Maybe that was some reason.
He mellowed in later years.
When I talked to him, he was pretty decent. Talked to me for several minutes and signed a picture that I had taken of him the previous year .
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6 years ago

I read somewhere that the "AFL" owners would not vote Jerry in because the Lombardi teams had too many players in and the Packers kicked their asses in the first two Super Bowls. No way to know how true that is. In any case it was an extreme injustice. When a player is voted the best guard during the first 50 years of football and to the All Decade team, among other accolades, and is the only player from either of those two teams not in the HOF, it certainly looks like some form of collusion.

I'm glad he is finally in. It would have been a shame if he would never have made it or if he had gotten in posthumously.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



I didn't realize the owners were the ones voting. I thought the media did the first round of voting and much later they set up the Veterans Committee. Even if every AFL owner hated JK why would the accredited media member bow down to them?

In reality I think everyone hated Jerry because he was such a jerk and since there really aren't any stats for the OL in the 60's it was easy to ignore him.
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yooperfan
6 years ago

In reality I think everyone hated Jerry because he was such a jerk

Originally Posted by: wpr 


Probably a lot of truth to this but shitsky, this wasn't a Miss America pageant, we're talking about nasty football players who were great at their craft.
It shouldn't have taken so long.

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6 years ago

Probably a lot of truth to this but shitsky, this wasn't a Miss America pageant, we're talking about nasty football players who were great at their craft.
It shouldn't have taken so long.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



I am not the guy who kept him out. There are nasty football players. Nitschke and Butkus were two of the toughest in that same generation. Point is they knew how to be tough on the field but decent off of it. They didn't create the animosity with other players when the game was over. It took Kramer a lot longer to figure it out. When he finally did, he was voted in.
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