As usual you are wrong. He did not plead guilty to illegal communications. He pleaded guilty to not properly disclosing the communications.
Which still has NOTHING to do with the election
Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins
At least check out Large font belowYou don't know if it does or doesn't...The email below by McFarland says it does!!!!
And you’re blocking the truth from your brain or entirely not understanding that this was a PLEA DEAL. Flynn admitting he lied to FBI about not having said conversational with Russia; this is a judicial admission that he DID have those conversations about those subjects. And don’t believe the propaganda that these are not crimes, they most certainly are [See More Below]!
RICO pleas are given for 1 reason: in exchange for SOLID evidence that leads to the bigger fish.
Mueller hired bunch of financial guys. One is Weissmann, after he took down Enron he’s been prosecuting NY Mafiosi; he’s intimately familiar with Trump.
Sometimes criminal admissions are under a plea are done to convince a judge that probable cause exists for surveillance or subpoena. Right after the Papadopoulos plead a judge signed off on a subpoena for Trump and his family’s Deutsche Bank accounts. A few years back NO ONE would give Trump a dime but Deutsche and that money was guaranteed by Moscow [see more on this below].
It's bullshit, imo.
Originally Posted by: nerdmann
Nerd, took a I read everything you wrote and linked to carefully.
First, Trump/Bannon/Koch’s and their circles are masters of carnivorous propaganda. Did you see the story about a woman paid by Project Veritas to trip up the Washington Post pretending to be a Roy Moore victim? Did you hear about fake robo-calls being made to Alabamians by a supposed Jewish named WP reporter [Bernie Bernstein] saying we’ll give you 5 to 7K for your story of a teenage fling with Roy Moore and we won’t investigate its truth?
The Koch brothers and Mercers spend billions on lobbying, political contributions, advertising, setting-up bogus news organizations [EG Breitbart], hundreds of bogus think tanks and studies, and political organizations like Project Veritas [Koch’s funneled $1.7M last year to them thru a Koch charity…A CHARITY!]. The Kochs just bought Time magazine. The Koch’s are behind Kobach’s Crosscheck voter suppression program. Lindsey Graham said they had to pass the tax bill or their donors would dry up; he admitted they have been bought off. Our democratic republic is governed thru consent of an informed electorate; the Koch’s goal is to control what Americans think. They spent millions lobbying to end net neutrality, a move that will end a full internet for all but the richest.
I’d bet the Kochs are behind Zerohedge’s Ivandjiiski and Backshall [These guys are Hedge-Fund bastards], who pose as a fictional character “Tyler Durden.” It is possible they’re doing it for the clicks. Cant see them as Trumpers; but Trumps is a puppet for their interests, so they could just being working in their own self-interest.
I read a lot of this stuff like this to obtain perspective. Note: Brian Ross wasn’t fired, though the tool should have been, he’s just suspended [4 weeks w/o pay].
Read the indictment, don’t be fooled by Backstall’s manipulation of what it actually states.
Your Obama clip is a perfect example. The reporter was inept or a hired gun preparing for a propaganda move to cover for criminal activity. It seductive because it is 100% true that it is not illegal for Trump to contact foreign governments, actually, it would be negligent for him not to. BUT….
(1) It is UNHEARD OF for this to be done without the help of the State Department.
(2) Flynn didn’t call saying, ”hi guys lookin’ forward to workin’ with ya.” Flynn was negotiating with foreign governments to undermine/sabotage US policy. Russia ATTACKED the US, it threatened our sovereignty by tampering with the elections and misinforming the Public. The US government took steps to protect the security and welfare of our nation and secretly. Trump, knowing less than half the story, acted to sabotage those measures. Trump was directly working with Russia AGAINST the USA. And NFL player protesters disrespect the Flag? GRRRR! This is textbook case of Treason; this expressly violates 18 U.S. Code § 371 [Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud against the US] and it violates the Logan Act [Some say this is arcane]. And if personal profit was Trump’s motive an endless string of other crimes were committed.
(3) And even if we agree that Flynn’s actions were not illegal; the act could still be illegal. Let me explain. To be found guilty of conspiracy there are 2 elements: (1) know about a wrongdoing; and (2) advance it in some way. Let’s use an example: you, driving a friend home from the bank is perfectly legal, unless you knew he just robbed it. The prosecutor will plead that you knew; you’ll deny it and the jury will decide. But, this is important, the evidence of your knowledge and advancement of the wrong can be 100% circumstantial because the facts needed to prove the conspiracy are in the hands of conspirators. Prosecutors love to plead conspiracy, they love it!
If you lie to the FBI about where you were; then you’re convicted. The jury will believe you knew about the bank robbery because there’s no reason for you to have lied about innocently driving a friend home from the bank. Flynn's lying is evidence of mens rea [the intention or knowledge of wrongdoing].
(4) And who thinks they know the whole story? Did Putin call Trump and tell him to make the sanctions disappear or he loses a property or Trump’s pee-pee tapes released? Mueller needs to do his job, because Trump could be a Russian asset.
(5) Also, you gotta try to understand what was happening here. Most spies come into the US [or Russia for that matter] as diplomats. If they get caught all ya can do is boot them. Obama knew Russia would retaliate [we booted 35; Russia eventually booted 775] and set up a game plan to deal with the loss of assets. Plans were made with other nation’s intelligence services and other US assets were moved around to try to cover for the anticipated expulsions. Then here comes Trump, clueless of what’s going on screwing up these plans.
(6) Why did Russia boot 775? Everyone knows the # is a direct response to the degree of embarrassment. If Obama didn’t advertise his action; Russia probably doesn’t boot anyone or does a direct tit for tat, expelling 35 or goes 2 or 1 macho expelling 70. But, because of the public spectacle, lasting for months and Congress voting, we lost 775 spies in Russia. This NEVER would have happened; but for Flynn's sabotage. Flnn's contacts undermined our Nation’s security.
(7) But the law aside. Imagine you become President and you hire a bunch of your PH homies for the transition team. How stupid and arrogant would you have to be to think you know more about a UN vote on Jewish Settlements or Russian sanctions than a current POTUS staff? Obama could have just struck a deal for peace between Palestine and Israel contingent on this UN vote and Flynn screwed it up. If trump was too big of a dick to work with Obama, then why not just wait 20-30 days to do it legal? I'm thinking and the McFarland Email evidences that Trump had a debt to pay to Russia for giving him the election. Stopping sanctions was just a down payment on that debt.
(8) And these sanctions were over Russian meddling in the election. This is the thing that maybe mystifies me most. Trumpsters love to make American great again, USA USA USA. They love the tough talk, “rocket man” and all his loud-mouthed despicable insults he delivers daily when outraged. Okay, Russia just meddled with our elections; our most sacred tenant in securing the peaceful transition of power. How come Trump doesn’t have the slightest outrage over this? Trump is more outraged at Lynch's protest than Putin's attempts to wreck our democracy. Where's that tough talk? USA USA USA, its okay Putin effing with our democracy, USA USA USA..I just dont fucking get it.
(9) Backshall’s continues his Breitbart-like dishonesty by saying this is proof Flynn did not use back-channels. There’s 2 channels: “front” and “back.” If they went thru front channels every call to every foreign government is recorded, transcribed, vetted/redacted for classification and what’s not redacted is made a public record. The record of the call, if everything is classified is a public record. See, if your game is not treason, why not use the front-channel? Everything Flynn did was through a back-channel or the FBI would have just got a copy of the transcript. NOTE: Other government’s intelligence dropped a dime to US intelligence what Flynn was doing. Flynn lied because he figured he knew how to get around US assets listening and didn’t think he’d get caught.
(10) Don’t know about Manifort being a plant; he’s been part of “Trump’s Russian Laundromat” for years. The first known Trump tie to Russia occurred in 1984, when a Russian mobster Bogatin bought 5 units in Trump tower; Trump attended the closing personally. Trump’s first trip to Russia was in ’97. Trump is intimately tied to a number of lower level and internationally feared Russian mobsters at just about every one of his properties; check Trump’s ties to Sater, Mogilevich, Ivankov, and Tokhtakhouno. Mueller has got Trump for money laundering anytime!! I'm thinking these Deutsche bank subpoena will be used to freeze every dime the Trump family owns.
(11) Julian Assange is a pawn for Russia, not sure he’s an asset. Russia took his boy Snowden; Assange has refused to publish documents on Russian corruption; he lied that Russia was behind leak of Podesta’s documents; bet he gets help and $$$ from them to help destabilize Putin’s targets; and one day he’s going to want to leave his room in the Equadorian Consulate. He cant afford to cross them.
At this juncture I just don’t know how anyone can believe an investigation is not warranted to determine for sure if Trump is compromised by a foreign government. If Zerohedge is shaping your thinking I see where your belief comes from, they just flat-out LIE just like every other Mercer/Koch brothers publication. 3 days late, they talk about an Email from JT McFarland [Transition team leader, deputy National Security advisor and Trump’s pick for ambassador to Singapore].
ZeroHedge misrepresented that the email stated:
““If there is a tit-for-tat escalation,” warned McFarland, “Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia.” Exactly.”
Here’s what the actual email stated:
“If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown U.S.A. election to him.”
There ya go. According to McFarland, Russia threw the election to Trump and one of the paybacks is reducing/stopping Obama’s sanctions.