I seen a Cutler for Rodgers thread on another board and it got me thinking.

Aaron's season last year, beginners luck? His peak? Or sign of things to come? I'm curious as to what YOU think and hopefully get some input on it as well.

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Now that I've seen what Rodgers can do, there's nobody I would want to trade Rodgers for, at this time. I would take Cutler over Cassel, but I'd take Rodgers over both.

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The way he played last year didnt look like luck to me. He seemed to have a good understanding of what was going on, its not like he was out there in a system were all he had to do was drop back and look for Wes Welker and Randy Moss like Cassel was, he made reads, he made plays with his feet and showed he's a very capable and quality starting QB with superstar potential.

I like Cutler, I'd take him over Cassel in a heartbeat, but Rodgers (this coming from me an avid Anti Rodgers advocate for his first 2 years on the team) is >>>>>>>>> than both.

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Why is it everyone seems to say the same exact thing? Cassell is crap he had Moss and Welker well last time i checked we had Driver and Jennings so now all of a sudden our guys aren't that great or is it they aren't that great when it comes to trying to make Rodgers look better? Way it stands right now i would say it was a 3 way toss up. Cutler could come in here and throw up huge numbers or goto NE and do the same thing or he could bomb. I don't think you could say that about Rodgers and Cassell because they had far better wrs than Cutler had. But hell i would take any of the 3 right now sure is better than being stuck with Orton lol. Downfalls for each Cassell now has crap for weapons, Cutler is stuck with the same garbage and Rodgers still has to prove he can be the man when it counts. Bring this back up when Rodgers and Cassell have started for a few years and ill give you a specific answer.

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NEver said anything bad about our wide outs, but can you realistically say that any of our wideouts are better than Randy Moss? Maybe Welker but he's probably the best slot type of wideout in the league right now. And By what I said about just dropping back in throwing it, I should have specified that having one of the best pass blocking lines the NFL added a lot to what he did.

Jennings, Driver and crew definitely helped Aaron out monumentally this year, but to say they factored in Aarons ability as much as Randy Moss and Welker did for Cassel IMO is a huge stretch.

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Here you go im so sick of this stuff.


Jennings had 1292 yds and 9 tds, Welker had 1165 yds and 3 tds.

Driver had 1012 yds and 5 tds and Moss had 1008 yds and 11 tds.


So our totals are:

Green Bay 2314 yards and 14 tds

Patriots 2173 yards and 14 tds


So who is the better of the group looks pretty even to me .

Time to get off the excuse train and look at the facts which were found on nfl.com .

Like i said i would be happy with any of the 3. Oh and aboout that great line just think Rodgers was sacked 34 times which is alot right? Well how do you think Cassell felt sitting behind that great line seeing he was sacked a league high of 47 times. Research my son helps you prove some points.

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And we had a better defense than the Patriots as well as less competitive schedule to compete against.

Cassel > Cutler > Rodgers. Definitely.

I believe Cutler and Cassel are both heads an shoulders better than Rodgers when it comes to the red zone.

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I'm using stats from ESPN and adding up totals from the 19 yard line and in, so it probably is missing the plays directly on the 20....but I don't think it will skew any of the numbers that much.

I believe you are wrong my friend:



Take it for what it's worth. It actually says ARodge is a little better than the other two, not heads and shoulders behind them.

Add in Red Zone efficiency as a whole:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL+Statistics/Inside+the+Red+Zone/2008/finalredzn.htm 





I hate it when people use sack totals as an indication of pass blocking work of the O-line. Cassel was a first year starting QB, as was Rodgers. Both players were put in the QB position after two excellent veteran QBs were removed. Both Brady and Favre had amazing pocket awareness and ability to escape pocket pressure or throw quickly to escape. Did both o-lines apparently just lose their overall effectiveness in one year? Or did the starting QB hold on to the ball longer than his predecessor? I'm guessing the latter is basically the main reason for the high sack totals. In fact, I know Cassel held on to the ball long on many plays when watching Patriots games, which is normal for a young first year starting QB. Watching the Packers every week showed me Rodgers had the same problem, albeit not as bad as Cassel. It's possible the O-line lost some effectiveness (or had a few injuries, which I know they did), but not to drop them that far down the list of good pass blocking O-lines.

We should agree that the Packers O-line strength is their pass blocking. Same with the Patriots.



So you look at two receiver totals and automatically assume that both QBs have the same type of talent to work with? Seriously? I know you guys are talking only about WRs, but the argument should be about the entire unit.

Just talking about WRs, no WR in the game changes defenses more than Randy Moss. There's no comparison.

Also, the Patriots basically brought back every player on offense that shattered the NFL scoring record last year. They have talent top to bottom better than the Packers on the offensive side of the ball.



Cutler had Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal, one of the top WR of this year's draft class. Brandon Marshall is a top 6-7 WR. Brandon Stokley is a great slot WR. I have no idea how you call them "garbage". They aren't on par with GB or NE, but they are definitely in the top of the league in terms of WR talent.

Using your WR total method, this group had 2245 yards and 11 TDs. That's not "garbage" at all.


Oh for my answer,

I'd take Rodgers first followed by Cutler as a close 2nd. Cassel is definitely way down on the list for me. I watched him play quite a lot with my NFL Sunday Ticket and a few things really made me uncomfortable about him:

1) His deep ball was not very good. His accuracy really lagged in that department. I saw him overthrow Moss twice on one drive when he was open by 5 yards down the field both times.

2) Again, surrounded by unbelievably good talent/system that scored an NFL record number points last year.

3) He held on to the ball a little more than other young QBs. You remember when Brady used to sit all day behind that line and just easily find the open man last year? Cassel would hold it even longer and take multiple sacks without reading the entire field. He would lock on too much on one guy (I'm guessing Moss or Welker).

He still had some solid games and showed a thing or two on the field this year. One thing I really liked about him was his scrambling ability. He's very quick and pretty athletic and fast for a QB. Those are definite pluses. We'll just have to see how he does on the talent starved offense of the Chiefs. I do not see him being successful next year.

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Nice post wils

Sarcasm from Zero....

NE had one of the easiest schedules last season if not the easiest.

GB had one of the toughest.

Rodgers>Cutler>Cassel.