Great QB or Great Defense?

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

What do you feel gives you the best chance for a Super Bowl winning season? A great quarterback or a great defense?

Great QB being defined as one of the top ten QB in league.
Great defense being defined as top five in scoring against and top ten in yards given up.

Maybe not what do you feel gives you best chance, maybe what would you rather have between the two?

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nerdmann
Premier Member

7 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Rules favor offense. But a QB is just one guy, lose him and you're stuck. Seems like teams with QBs are the ones more likely to repeat, no?

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

hardrocker950
Member

7 years ago

Are we talking about an average team with the exception of the D/QB?

beast
Select Member

7 years ago

No one thing always wins, but generally speaking, it does seem like defense wins Championships (assuming they got a decent offense to go with it). While Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers have 4 Championships between them. Also it seems like great defensive teams can normally get decent running games going, where great QBs can't always get decent defenses going.

nerdmann
Premier Member

7 years ago

Originally Posted by: beast

Defense wins championships, QBs get you there. That's my working hypothhesis.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

yooperfan
Veteran Member

7 years ago

Personally I love defense and the ability to run the football, I'll go with a great defense.
Final answer!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

Originally Posted by: beast

Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer and Russell Wilson have 4 championships between them. Seems messed up to me.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

7 years ago

The team has to have enough offense to get there. MN has had some pretty damn good defenses, but an offense where if Peterson was stopped they couldn't score. The only year they really came close is when they had Brett.

Even with a top defense the team has to have a serviceable QB along with a run game. The entire notion about defense winning SB is because when you get deep into the playoffs there are really no bad offenses left, they are all close and when the offenses get close the difference is the Defense.

so to answer the question I would prefer a Great defense, with a QB who can play but doesn't cost an arm and leg, so there is money to have skill players around him.

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Porforis
Veteran Member

7 years ago

Under that criteria, defense. But there's a TON of difference between the #3 QB and the #10 QB. Far more than between the #2 and #5 scoring defenses, #3 and #10 yards given up defenses. Top 5 QB? I'd take the QB.

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