Barfarn
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7 years ago
When watching movies of Jackie Robinson I get pissed-off, don’t we all get pissed-off?

I fantasize that if a player or a fan in the day, I would openly support Robinson’s “offensive and inappropriately placed protests.”

Forget that for now, let’s jump back and link into the mind of a grumbling Dodgers fan concerning Jackie’s protests: “WTF is this guy doing? Sure, there are some inequities in society, this is wrong and it must be fixed, but not here. This is baseball; this is not a venue for political speech or a political forum. There are plenty of Negro leagues for this troublemaker to play in and many other venues that he can protest about his lack of civil rights. And WTF is this going to do to the chemistry of my beloved Dodgers.”

Today, it is universally understood, the NFL is a brand and that brand by its own definition constitutes itself as a role model; its players are role models. Pure White baseball standing all by itself TEACHES and ENCOURAGES segregation. Football penalizing a lawful protest sends a horrific role model message. Sports seriously harms segregation and prejudice. It is a whole lot harder to hate all Blacks if you grow up idolizing Reggie White or Willie Mays. A lot harder to believe in segregation, when Blacks and Whites executing a play together or jump on each other after a TD or game whining home run.

It is because of Branch Rickey, Vince Lombardi and the attention racial issues receive thru sports that has positively worked to educated and enlightened our society with regard to racial hate and prejudice.
Nonstopdrivel
7 years ago

Today, it is universally understood, the NFL is a brand and that brand by its own definition constitutes itself as a role model

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



I'm struggling to parse out the semantic meaning lurking behind this rather peculiar turn of phrase, but whatever meaning it does have, I doubt it's "universally understood." On the other hand, maybe you can deign to clarify this comment for the benighted among us.
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Barfarn
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7 years ago

I'm struggling to parse out the semantic meaning lurking behind this rather peculiar turn of phrase, but whatever meaning it does have, I doubt it's "universally understood." On the other hand, maybe you can deign to clarify this comment for the benighted among us.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Wasn't trying to "turn a phrase" just poor/confusing sentence structure...LOL

The NFL says the League and players are role models for society. The players and their union, the media and the fans are aware and accept this. This understanding gives the league the authority to, for example, regulate what a person can wear or not wear, or what a person can do on and off the field, or meat out discipline discipline on a player declared by our courts to be "not guilty."
wpr
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7 years ago
I know it's the NFL and players, especially linemen, like to eat.
It's "mete out discipline" not "meat".
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Cheesey
7 years ago
If you did watch the Jackie Robinson movie, would you say today's world is the same as back then?
I'd say it's changed quite dramatically.

These stupid "protests" of NFL players trying to make some point (which it really doesn't, it's just another liberal feel good move that actually does nothing) just makes the average person want to turn their collective backs on these multi-millionaire players.

If they really want to use their position to make a point, how about doing it on their OWN TIME. Not when people are paying hard earned money to watch these guys play football.
these guys make more money in a season then average people make in a decade.

If you REALLY want to make a change, use some of your millions to set up inner city places where people could go and talk about the real inner city issues. Locking arms or kneeling during the national anthem does NOTHING except put more distance between races.

Let's face it, their so called "point" has been made. Now stop the B.S. and actually DO something constructive if you really care about people like you say you do.
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Barfarn
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7 years ago

If you did watch the Jackie Robinson movie, would you say today's world is the same as back then?
I'd say it's changed quite dramatically.

These stupid "protests" of NFL players trying to make some point (which it really doesn't, it's just another liberal feel good move that actually does nothing) just makes the average person want to turn their collective backs on these multi-millionaire players.

If they really want to use their position to make a point, how about doing it on their OWN TIME. Not when people are paying hard earned money to watch these guys play football.
these guys make more money in a season then average people make in a decade.

If you REALLY want to make a change, use some of your millions to set up inner city places where people could go and talk about the real inner city issues. Locking arms or kneeling during the national anthem does NOTHING except put more distance between races.

Let's face it, their so called "point" has been made. Now stop the B.S. and actually DO something constructive if you really care about people like you say you do.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



The Protest isnt about making a point; it is to bring change!

Why is a movement to get bad cops off the street so offensive to you?

Before going with your pat answer [just dont run from cops 😂], explain why Bennett's attorney in 2003 got $11M for 119 plaintiffs; why Chicago paid $662M for 2004-2015 in misconduct claims, if the cops are usually doing the right thing. Find one major metro that has not paid millions out in the last 5 years, ONE! Ever single one has! Surely if all these cases were about Black guys getting brutalized because they ran from the cops, who used justifiable force, these payouts would be much smaller or nonexistent.

In each of these cases, an insurance company, a city attorney, a judges and/or a juries with intimate knowledge of each case, places a value on that case when deciding to settle or go to trial or deciding how much the cops should pay. To prove your point just about everyone of these people have to be idiots.

Oh and The players dont need help. Guys like Bennett have the coin to hire a lawyer like Burris; Bennett will make at least several hundred thou off the LVMPD! They're raising their voice for the voiceless, the poor who cant fight in a substantially corrupt system with a hefty dose of racism.
Cheesey
7 years ago
Barfarn, I hope you never need assistance from the police. You seem to think so many of them are EVIL.
So....because there are some bad black people, should I protest about them and lump ALL black people into evil people? That's what you are doing with the police.
I was talking to 2 sheriffs yesterday, and they said "maybe we all should just take a couple weeks off, and then see how bad and useless we are".
I wouldn't blame them if they did, because of the attitude people like you have about them.
Wake up and face the truth. The vast majority of people shot by cops are because of what the people they stop do.
THAT is the truth you refuse to face.
Just keep your eyes (and your mind) closed to the truth.
That's the only way you can keep your beliefs(desires) alive in your mind. And your hate from dieing.
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