I saw this on ESPN this AM...

If there's a better quarterback in the league than Brady, it's Aaron Rodgers, who put a substandard Packers offense on his back last season and carried it all the way to the NFC Championship Game.

How I see the Packers is echoed in the above from ESPN. If the offense as a whole is substandard and we all agree the defense is substandard, then how do we really feel about our team? I see all of our success as a function of Rodgers greatness. How I think others view this team is...we're a great team built by one of the great GM's in the game. One of these positions is not correct.

So, how do you see your team? All Aaron Rodgers...or a great team built by Ted Thompson? It's pretty clear what the perception is in the ESPN comment. Not a good offense, not a good defense, but an all world QB carrying a total mess of a roster to the NFC Championship. Can you separate fact from fiction? Rodgers is that good...the fact he's had to play with what we have on this roster is shameful. Bad defense and a substandard offense.

Let's talk. Let's be honest. How do you see your team? ESPN comment wrong and biased?... or have you been wrong and biased? I'll stand hand in hand with ESPN on this one.

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I think overall nationally our WRs are overrated but OL is underrated and Montgomery is underrated because talent wise he's a legit RB but is seen as a WR playing RB still and not a true threat. Since Rodgers is so good and OL not being a flashy part of teams I think the "talent" around Rodgers this year isn't going to get enough credit.

Montgomery can't be underrated until he's able to carry it 25 times a game. He's not a true #1 RB until he can consistently carry it 25 times a game. He's never done that one time. The most Ty has ever carried it is 16 times. Every other game of his career he hasn't even touched it double digits. So, right now, all 88 is is a nice bit player taking a few carries. He is one of my favorite Packers and I really like who he is or how he presents himself on twitter, but he's not a legit RB...yet. I understand that talent wise he's a real RB but real RB's carry it more than Ty has.

Our OL is a good group. Not sure they're underrated. Who would be doing such a thing?

Rodgers is why we win. Barfarn talks evidence all the time. When 12 isn't around this team is literally at the bottom of the NFL. Matt Flynn! Matt Flynn! This team doesn't win without 12 like most teams don't without their top gun but we have a poor D and an O that doesn't really work well without a superstar running it, so I'd say we're a very poor crew of support around Aaron Rodgers. It's been too many years of a weak roster around our one superstar. I'm pretty sure that's how it will continue until regime change.

Interesting nobody is here to defend the org's honor on this but it is pretty cut and dried why this team has been in the playoffs 8 straight years. One guy. Aaron Rodgers. Get the man some help!!!!!

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I need at least four regular season games before I can see the team. And even then that's early. That said, I still predict them getting 11 or so wins. I am spoiled. I take the Packers getting into playoffs for granted. I'm waiting for post-season already.

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0 RBs averaged 25 carries a game last year. Only 2 were over 20. That's a completely arbitrary number. Unless NFL.com stats are wrong for att/game nobody has averaged 25 carries a game since 2010, that's a completely ridiculous standard.

I'm not talking about some arbitrary "real RB" standard anyways I'm talking about when he's in the backfield our running game is a threat. Health is a big issue but the dudes a good RB.

You're always setting ridiculously standards ... in four years Lacy had 788 carries over 51 carries, that's a consistent carry of 15.45 times per game. So you're saying Montgomery has to carry it 61.8% more often than the last #1 RB, to prove he's equal? That's just ridiculously!

In 2016, guess how many RBs averaged 25 rushes per game? NONE... only two averaged 20 carries per game in Le'Veon Bell and Ezekiel Elliott. Bell and Elliott only run it 25 times a game 3 times (each) all season... so even they don't consistently carry it 25 times a game!

So to prove Montgomery is a #1 RB, he must do something no other RB does? BULLSHIT!

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How do you see (rate/evaluate/access/score) your team ? The question does not ask , how do you want to see your team ? Being able to look past your team loyalty to reveal the unvarnished truth is being honest , not disloyal to your team .

IMO, without Aaron Rodgers , GB's Offense is at best an average team. He has made , by virtue of his skills , made some WR's better than they should have been . Also , a good QB is an aid to a teams RB's as it makes opposing defenses play both the run and the pass , instead of focusing on just one or the other . Additionally , an Offensive line is like the foundation of a house . It needs to support the Offense in both run blocking and pass blocking . GB is lucky to have a quality OL , but without a future HOF QB in Rodgers , GBis still just an average Offense .

On the defensive side of the field, at this point in time I'm just not sure what we are going to see this season. The CB positions will either make or break this 2017 GB Defense . House may be serviceable , but the other CB position may see a revolving door of also want-to-be starters as opposing QB's slice and dice the Packer's secondary .

The Special Teams , IMO , will be special with Travis Davis returning kicks .

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88 has carried it more than 9 times once in his career. I should've put 20-25 carries. My bad.

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Enough of this BS the team would get a top 5 draft pick if Rodgers wasn't under center. Matt friggin Flynn had a .500 record with this team. Albeit a small sample size but he still went 3-3 and would have won the fourth against NE in Foxboro if the defense could have held a 4th quarter lead. I believe the team is better than being given credit for and has been over the years. Rodgers just puts them over the top. Unfortunately for him, coaches getting out smarted (or outsmarting themselves) and brain farts by youth have kept him from returning to the winners circle.

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In what year did Flynn go 3-3? That's his record over the 6 seasons he played for GB. His best year was 2014 when he went 2-2. There are only 13 players on the team this year who played in 2014. That includes Barclay who is IR, Crosby and Goode. Just because Flynn won 2 games in 2014 doesn't mean anything today.

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