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uffda udfa
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7 years ago

#11

So your question is if they keep him on the active 53 injured, can they put him on IR later. The answer would be yes.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Can they do that with the designated to return qualification, later, or would he be done?

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PackFanWithTwins
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7 years ago

#12

Can they do that with the designated to return qualification, later, or would he be done?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Starting last year, teams no longer needed to designate a player eligible to return and that is the case again this year. A team could place 5 guys in IR and not have to determine which will return until the time comes up.

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uffda udfa
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7 years ago

#13

I know they get two guys they can do that with. I don't recall a situation where a guy who could go IR was rostered and then IRed without a new injury.

If we can just IR designate to return with Adams whether he's rostered or not, it would make more sense to IR now to open another spot.

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PackFanWithTwins
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7 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Only way that would happen would be if a player aggravated an injury. Otherwise there is no reason NOT to IR somebody if they are expected to be out 8 weeks. To keep somebody on the active Roster means they are expected to return before 8 weeks and will be able to practice sooner if they are able.

It is a big sign of his progress if they IR him or not.

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uffda udfa
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7 years ago

#15

This is what I was looking for:

***For any player to be available as a short term return designation, the player would need to be on the initial 53 man roster.***

This is key. So, if Adams gets IRed on the cut, he is done for the year. We have to roster him to have him at all this season.

I agree. What they do tells us if they think he'll possibly be a factor the 2nd half. I'm betting the just red shirt him in a sense and IR him now to create another spot.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

beast
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7 years ago

#16

If they carry him on the roster injured like he is can they really put him on IR for same injury later?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I know they get two guys they can do that with. I don't recall a situation where a guy who could go IR was rostered and then IRed without a new injury.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I believe the Packers did it just last season with CB Makinton Dorleant

http://www.packers.com/team/transactions.html
If you go back to 2016 with this link, you'll see that Dorleant was kept two days after the 53 man roster cuts and then placed on the IR... so that he could potentially return at a later date (which he did).

If we can just IR designate to return with Adams whether he's rostered or not, it would make more sense to IR now to open another spot.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I believe the rule says to return from IR, the player must first be placed on the 53 man roster. If they were never on the 53 man roster, then they can't directly return from the IR during the season.

To be IR eligible, you're to have an injury that will take 6 weeks or longer to recover from.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I don't think that's correct as team place guys on the IR with less than 6 week injuries... I believe the Packers did it with both S Chris Banjo and WR Jared Abbrederis... they had too many banged up guys at once... and them being the low men on the injury pool, they were IRed just to make more room for healthy players with fairly small injuries and were then released.

beast
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7 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Yeah you got it now.... that's why I have Adams making the initial 53 man roster and then IR him, bringing him back later in the season (because sadly there will be injuries at some point during the season and we can always use more pass rushers).

PS: Where did you find the "***For any player to be available as a short term return designation, the player would need to be on the initial 53 man roster.***" ... that's well worded. I wasn't sure if you got it from a link.

uffda udfa
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7 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: beast

Too well worded to be from me! LOL. I found it at: texanscap.com regarding Will Fuller's situation for this season.

As for a qualifying IR injury, I found this:

A major injury is described as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks — or 42 calendar days — from the date of injury.

The Dorleant info was good. Thanks. You know these rules are manipulated all the time by teams and very loosely monitored because we've put more guys on IR than anyone else it seems.

Years ago, I used to be able to get into the NFLPA website. I want to access the actual NFL rules regarding this but all I can find are team blog sources and whatnot. I want the letter of the law on the rules. Not making it easy for me for sure.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

beast
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7 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

You can still get all of the rules. I remember someone posted it somewhere a good while back. This link might be it, but I'm not sure.
http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2017-nfl-rulebook/

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#20

Does the team have to jump through all the hoops? Meaning, do they have to cut to 53, then announce IR? Or can they just say, he will be starting the season on IR. If they have to cut first, then that also means who ever they would put on the roster in his spot needs to go through all the Post cut procedures before being able to be brought back.

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