In Cobb's Eyes, McCaffrey Is Shining the Brightest· Page 2

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

7 years ago

Then stop making stupid assumptions that can't be proven.

Just because Janis and Davis are good on STs, and that's all you might see in them, in no way means that's all the Packers see in them...

Originally Posted by: beast

Which is what my post communicated. I said that it would be dumb to use two roster spots on just ST specialists, and it would. I indicated I might be reading it wrong, but if I wasn't then it was dumb. Nothing to get hissy about but you like to take half an argument and reply while ignoring the other half. You aren't wrong in what you're angry about. You just aren't looking at the total argument.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#12

I thought it was interesting how Dodd wanted no part of Clark when I posted his measurables.

Here's what's interesting... Geronimo has horrific measurables:

COMBINE RESULTS
40 YARD DASH: 4.67 SEC
VERTICAL JUMP: 33.0 INCH
BROAD JUMP: 127.0 INCH
3 CONE DRILL: 7.40 SEC
20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.28 SEC
60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.54 SEC

A 4.67 40. There's a reason I've referred to him as Boykin. That speed was electronically timed. OLB's and TE's run close to this kind of 40 times. Clark is almost 3 inches taller and yet Allison has same vertical and 3 cone is better but still awful.

I'm going to say that I expect Geronimo to get cut unless they deal Cobb. No reason to keep a limited athlete that offers little upside when you could keep McCaffrey or Clark.

No question cutting Janis solves a lot and I'm not so sure they won't.

Geronimo is the least appealing of the WRs we've been discussing. If Boykin was released, I see no reason why Geronimo isn't done here. We just won't know until after Week 1.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#13

I may be crazy, actually I know I am, but I cannot see a scenario where Davis or Janis are cut. You hear the phrase "4 down player", that's referring to special teams, and it is an integral part of the roster building process.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

isocleas2
Member

7 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules

I have a hard time seeing it either. It my mind Davis is close to a lock considering in year 2 he's still showing promise as a WR AND a ST player. Janis I expected to finally be cut this year but he always plays so well in the preseason that its hard for me to believe he's not on the 53.

Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Davis, and Yancey are the 5 I'd bank on the Packers keeping. Hopefully they can stash Dupre on IR, put Clark on the PS, then its just a question of which one do you keep:

McCaffrey (maybe PS too)
Janis
Allison

beast
Select Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#15

Originally Posted by: isocleas2

Why is everyone so low on Allison? He was the #4, and the little we've seen him play in preseason, it looks like he's improved adding some juke moves.

I'm thinking Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Allison are the top 4 (unless they're getting rid of Cobb for contract reasons).... then probably Janis or Davis (I'm guessing Janis), and almost wide open for the 6 spot. And who knows if there will be a 7th spot... I know it seems most fans want Clark in at the 7th spot.

isocleas2
Member

7 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: beast

I don't have any problems with Allison but after the Pack drafted two more receivers it just seems like there's too few spots to go around. I think guys like Allison and Gunter while valuable last season may not have the value some are hoping for. Thompson usually keeps his draft picks so a 5th rounder like Yancey is a safer bet imo.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#17

Why is anyone suggesting IRing Dupre? He's not injured. We'd have to fake one to get him there.

Allison played well last year but was he any better than Boykin? The Boykin kid had a great season to which MM said he wasn't higher on anyone in the building the following off season. He would soon after be cut.

Allison nearly ran 4.7. Boykin ran 4.74 but had a 36" vertical and a much better 3 cone.

Boykin was a prolific WR at VA Tech. He had tremendous hands.

Allison, to me, is Boykin. You can do so much better. The question is who at the bottom of the WR depth chart is better? Plus, he's a low level player with a suspension history now.

One last note. Geronimo had a whopping 12 receptions with us last year with 2 TD's. I don't dislike him just like I didn't dislike Boykin, there just are so many better options.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

steveishere
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#18

I'd rather see Trevor Davis on the field as a WR over Allison. There isn't much to go off of this preseason but Davis looks good in his routes this year and his hands look fine. If Allison is down to #5 he's basically worthless, he won't get many snaps on offense and he doesn't do anything on special teams. Even if Allison is #4 there isn't any reason to put him out there unless one of the top 3 is hurt or needs rest, at least Davis or even Janis with his end around handoffs add a dimension that the usual starters don't.

beast
Select Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#19

Allison nearly ran 4.7. Boykin ran 4.74 but had a 36" vertical and a much better 3 cone.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

A lot of your argument is simply about 40 times... and not about how a player plays on the field.
So you simply want to keep the fastest 40 times guys?

Also Cobb's 40 time was faster than Nelson... but Nelson is the one that get plays deep a lot more often despite the slower 40 time...

beast
Select Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: steveishere

It's the Packers... so, yeah, someone is gonna get hurt...

I was all for Davis in OTAs, but he scared me off a bit with only 1 catch for 12 yards in two games, dispite noticing him on the field a good bit... of course that could of been a QB problem and he did redeem himself some in the 3rd game.

Allison has shown a lot better movement skills this preseason than last year... a lot more shake. I think he might become the starter if Adams or Cobb is let go (can only have so many big contracts). Also I believe they threw a short pass to Allison and let him break a tackle in one on one, like they do with Nelson... and MM talked about Nelson playing more in the nickel. Also on Hundley's INT against the Eagles, Allison broke wide open and was the target.

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