beast
7 years ago

If Randall became a top 5 safety he'd definitely be a good pick. What's the obsession over specific positions. Is the player good or not? GB drafted an offensive lineman in the first round and got a top 5 RT, that's a win.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Exactly, and everyone agrees on this, how the players plays is what matters... the specific position item is simply biased editorializing based on the wrong assumption that teams won't draft RT in the first round, when clearly some team do.
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uffda udfa
7 years ago

Exactly, and everyone agrees on this, how the players plays is what matters... the specific position item is simply biased editorializing based on the wrong assumption that teams won't draft RT in the first round, when clearly some team do.

Originally Posted by: beast 



No comment on the fact that Randall not producing at CB led to drafting King and if King busts we're 4-5 years down the road with no stud CB? That doesn't factor at all? Randall failing at CB has disastrous effects whether you choose to recognize them or not. You want to put the blinders on and say...game over. Great pick. It's so much more than that.

True debate is give and take. You cherry pick what you think strengthens your argument and then stop there. You have asked me things that I have answered such as proving he was taken to play LT. He wasn't taken to be Spriggs. Spriggs was as 2nd rounder. Bulaga had a specific reason for his selection in Round 1...to play LT, just like Sherrod.

It doesn't matter what other teams do. It matters what ours did. Ours was using a 1st round pick on a left tackle who couldn't play LT but ended up being good at RT. This causes Sherrod to be drafted hoping he is the LT of the future that Bulaga is not. Sherrod fails worse than Bulaga and we get stuck watching Marshall Newhouse Barclay it up out there so that a guy who can't play LT well, Bulaga, has to go back out and attempt to do it but not well. Fortunately, Bakhtiari fixed all this but what if he hadn't? How many bad years of poor LT play was there before Bakh could get it done? How many more would there have been if he hadn't? That is why it does matter that Bulaga failed at LT which is where this team drafted him to play.
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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
Some are under the delusion that because a LT is drafted they are expected to play LT. Packers don't draft that way. They draft LT because they are typically the most athletic players on the Offensive line coming out of college and they work them and play them where ever they need somebody. It is more likely a LT from college will be able to play either T or G and can never have to many players to have experience at LT.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
uffda udfa
7 years ago

Some are under the delusion that because a LT is drafted they are expected to play LT. Packers don't draft that way. They draft LT because they are typically the most athletic players on the Offensive line coming out of college and they work them and play them where ever they need somebody. It is more likely a LT from college will be able to play either T or G and can never have to many players to have experience at LT.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



You are misinformed on the selection of Bryan Bulaga. He wasn't taken like Spriggs was to be wherever he needed to be, although, he was really drafted as Bakhtiari insurance in case he left. Didn't trade up in Round 2 for a Don Barclay role player. BB was specifically drafted to play LT. It's revisionist history to say otherwise. The draft is my favorite event and I really followed it extremely close back in those days. I know what was going on back then pre draft and post. I know he played LT in college and I was screaming back then he couldn't play LT in the pros because his arms were short and he wasn't very athletic and would get schooled by speed. The guy should've been a G. Surprising he's been as good at RT as he has been.

It's funny to see you tell me how the Packers do it as if that means that's how they did it in that particular instance.
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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
Only one getting schooled is you. And it is self inflicted.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
uffda udfa
7 years ago

Only one getting schooled is you. And it is self inflicted.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



This proves you haven't read the articles or Mike McCarthy quotes or followed the draft very closely that year or the team for that matter during that time. I'm not guessing or speculating... I know because I was there paying very close attention. Were you?


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DarkaneRules
7 years ago
Cut Spriggs. I don't care what year it is. He's an embarrassment to his position.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
beast
7 years ago

True debate is give and take.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Which means you never have a true debate ... because you only never take lessons despite this entire form proving your logic is clearly faulty to everyone else. It's simple, you can't be objective.

And now you're write your shit all over again... and people will continue to tell you it's clearly wrong... and you're continue to ignore anyone else opinion, because you never have a true debate...
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beast
7 years ago

Only one getting schooled is you. And it is self inflicted.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 


Yup, it's kinda pathetic ...

Of course he has the attitude that no one can be right but him... so it's self inflicted like you said.
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uffda udfa
7 years ago

Yup, it's kinda pathetic ...

Of course he has the attitude that no one can be right but him... so it's self inflicted like you said.

Originally Posted by: beast 



This isn't an opinion. It's fact. Difference. So, there is a right and wrong in this case. Bulaga was drafted to play LT. You dispute that? Where's your evidence? What they usually do?


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