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All of the Packers’ draft picks are now under contract And then there were none.
The Green Bay Packers signed their final 2017 draft pick today as third round selection defensive tackle Montravius Adams agreed to terms with the team. 
Adams was the final third round selection to sign with their team and it leaves eight unsigned draft picks around the league. Seven of those eight are first round selections.
By signing before training camp, Adams won't incur any kind of financial penalties and the Packers can finally rest knowing all their draft picks are under contract.
It's not clear what caused the holdup with Adams' contract thanks to the league's rookie wage scale but a deal is done and Adams can officially join the team.


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They are all signed. This version of the CBA sure makes it a lot easier.
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8 years ago
Great! I can now sleep at night. 🙂
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
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Kind of ticks me off that it took this long. Was it some kind of greed thing? Or a player thinking he's "all that" even before he plays a down?
Of course we don't know.
Hopefully he will produce on the field.
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Kind of ticks me off that it took this long. Was it some kind of greed thing? Or a player thinking he's "all that" even before he plays a down?
Of course we don't know.
Hopefully he will produce on the field.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


Sounds like you are assuming it was the player's fault, but I think it could possibly be the Packers system fault.

Before the latest CBA agreement people would always complain how freaking long it would take the Packers to sign their draft picks, and that's because the Packers always seemed to wait until the players before and after their pick were signed and then some how average it out via draft spot or position. This strategy has seemed to continue into the current CBA, just fans normally aren't complaining anymore, because it all (normally) happens in reasonable time frame.

The Packers selected DL Montravius Adams with the 93rd overall selection. The closest other DL selection was 88th when the Oakland Raiders selected Eddie Vanderdoes. But follow this.

The 11th last player to sign was #92 CB Jourdan Lewis (one spot above Adams)
The 10th last player to sign was #88 DL Eddie Vanderdoes (closest DL selection to Adams)
And less than 18 hours after Lewis and less than an hour after Vanderdoes...
The 9th last player to sign was #93 DL Montravius Adams

So I believe the Packers AND Adams had an averages deal in place, but they were just waiting for others numbers to come in so they could do the averages.
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Sounds like you are assuming it was the player's fault, but I think it could possibly be the Packers system fault.

Before the latest CBA agreement people would always complain how freaking long it would take the Packers to sign their draft picks, and that's because the Packers always seemed to wait until the players before and after their pick were signed and then some how average it out via draft spot or position. This strategy has seemed to continue into the current CBA, just fans normally aren't complaining anymore, because it all (normally) happens in reasonable time frame.

The Packers selected DL Montravius Adams with the 93rd overall selection. The closest other DL selection was 88th when the Oakland Raiders selected Eddie Vanderdoes. But follow this.

The 11th last player to sign was #92 CB Jourdan Lewis (one spot above Adams)
The 10th last player to sign was #88 DL Eddie Vanderdoes (closest DL selection to Adams)
And less than 18 hours after Lewis and less than an hour after Vanderdoes...
The 9th last player to sign was #93 DL Montravius Adams

So I believe the Packers AND Adams had an averages deal in place, but they were just waiting for others numbers to come in so they could do the averages.

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Thank you Mr. Know-it-all !

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Thank you Mr. Know-it-all !

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


You really do blow a lot of smoke 👅

But seriously, what's up with all the passive aggressive smack talk?
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8 years ago

Kind of ticks me off that it took this long. Was it some kind of greed thing? Or a player thinking he's "all that" even before he plays a down?
Of course we don't know.
Hopefully he will produce on the field.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Why would it tick you off? It doesn't have any affect on you or your life whatsoever. It's not like the kid is skipping a playoff game and is the key to the defensive chances to propelling the Packers to the Super Bowl lol ... he's a third round rookie and training camp hasn't even begun yet. Simmah down!! 😁

You really do blow a lot of smoke 👅

But seriously, what's up with all the passive aggressive smack talk?

Originally Posted by: beast 



Some people think if they use a graphic to insult or attack it is okay. Thank you for your continuous contributions to the site. I do appreciate them as it helps others.
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Thank you for your continuous contributions to the site. I do appreciate them as it helps others.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Well , I thought that you and others in this forum were afflicted with too much testosterone to appreciate anyone but yourselves . Also I try to help others to see that dry , data filled , long-winded , intolerant opinions need not fill this site , but humor and differing opinions and challenging insufferable know-it all's have a place as well .

Thank you , I'll try to keep up the good work . [cheers]

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8 years ago

Well , I thought that you and others in this forum were afflicted with too much testosterone to appreciate anyone but yourselves . Also I try to help others to see that dry , data filled , long-winded , intolerant opinions need not fill this site , but humor and differing opinions and challenging insufferable know-it all's have a place as well .

Thank you , I'll try to keep up the good work . [cheers]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



I agree, massively long-winded responses that are more aimed at brainwashing than informing are not necessarily beneficial. I must say though I am looking forward to Training Camp and reading the fans perspectives on what they see!
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Sounds like you are assuming it was the player's fault, but I think it could possibly be the Packers system fault.

Before the latest CBA agreement people would always complain how freaking long it would take the Packers to sign their draft picks, and that's because the Packers always seemed to wait until the players before and after their pick were signed and then some how average it out via draft spot or position. This strategy has seemed to continue into the current CBA, just fans normally aren't complaining anymore, because it all (normally) happens in reasonable time frame.

The Packers selected DL Montravius Adams with the 93rd overall selection. The closest other DL selection was 88th when the Oakland Raiders selected Eddie Vanderdoes. But follow this.

The 11th last player to sign was #92 CB Jourdan Lewis (one spot above Adams)
The 10th last player to sign was #88 DL Eddie Vanderdoes (closest DL selection to Adams)
And less than 18 hours after Lewis and less than an hour after Vanderdoes...
The 9th last player to sign was #93 DL Montravius Adams

So I believe the Packers AND Adams had an averages deal in place, but they were just waiting for others numbers to come in so they could do the averages.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Spoke to an NFL agent and asked him why he thinks it took so long for Adams to sign.

He gave a theory as to why and a review of the rookie contracts signed over the last few years supports this. But its pretty complicated and wouldn't fit on a bumper sticker.

BTW: He said he's never heard of an "averages deal."
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Spoke to an NFL agent and asked him why he thinks it took so long for Adams to sign.
He gave a theory as to why and a review of the rookie contracts signed over the last few years supports this. But its pretty complicated and wouldn't fit on a bumper sticker.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



So you're humble bragging that you got to talk with an NFL agent! 😎
And got to ask him a question that we're wondering about! 😁
But you won't tell us what he said because it's too long? 😞

Just because someone complained about "dry , data filled , long-winded " doesn't mean you should stop sharing what you have learned or what you know just because it's long.

Sharing idea possibilities and/or educating each other is part of the process and part of the reason some have suggested that the Wisconsin fans are some of the best football fans, which I was surprised to hear being talked about, since it was said at different times at both Rams and Chiefs training camps, which I guess was being held in Wisconsin at the time.

BTW: He said he's never heard of an "averages deal."

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 


Of course you wouldn't, because that phraseology (on my part) was horrible. There are no averages deals other than franchise and transition tag.

What I meant (and should of said) was verbal agreement to wait for the other deals first and review them before completely finishing their deal. But I take short cuts sometimes and wrongly said "averages deals".
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True, I don't know who's fault it truely was.
One group of millionaires trying to one up another group of millionaires.
True it doesn't affect my life. It will continue the same either way....boring as heck with not much I can do about it.
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So you're humble bragging that you got to talk with an NFL agent! 😎
And got to ask him a question that we're wondering about! 😁
But you won't tell us what he said because it's too long? 😞

Just because someone complained about "dry , data filled , long-winded " doesn't mean you should stop sharing what you have learned or what you know just because it's long.

Sharing idea possibilities and/or educating each other is part of the process and part of the reason some have suggested that the Wisconsin fans are some of the best football fans, which I was surprised to hear being talked about, since it was said at different times at both Rams and Chiefs training camps, which I guess was being held in Wisconsin at the time.


Of course you wouldn't, because that phraseology (on my part) was horrible. There are no averages deals other than franchise and transition tag.

What I meant (and should of said) was verbal agreement to wait for the other deals first and review them before completely finishing their deal. But I take short cuts sometimes and wrongly said "averages deals".

Originally Posted by: beast 



I am not you! Don't think like you! And would NEVER act like you! EVER! So Please, Carnac, stick to the subject matter even if you believe you have permission to do other stuff.

Actually discussed Adams with an agent, a "retired" agent and someone who did it for a short period of time and would never confine the subject to your phraseology unless it was a term of art in the industry. I reserve such petty logic errors nasty dishonest type arguments for those that call themselves the WI sports expert fans [rolling eyes].

And to be exact, these three guys were musing about how funny it would be if every team waited for others to sign, so they could all average. Not that I presented it directly to them, but your thought was fully represented in the discussion, it was laughed at because, well, because its pretty stupid. At least the real "experts" think so.

Now to get the real answer you'd have to have both 1265 and Adams' agent tell the same story; because even if you heard from one you couldn't take it to the bank. And they said Ball/Ted ain't talking, EVER. FYI, the speculation ranged from personal [Adams just became a new father a few weeks ago] to several other non cash related contract terms; some of which are being pushed back on by the NFLPA, so they could have been the culprits of the delay as well. But, one thing we know for certain, it wasn't about an amount of money or averaging.

PS: The suggestion has been made that the thing that makes loud-mouthed fans revel in their self-professed expertise and get all kiddy-shitty when their ideas are rebutted involves contamination of the WI's aquifers.
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I am not you! Don't think like you! And would NEVER act like you! EVER! So Please, Carnac, stick to the subject matter even if you believe you have permission to do other stuff.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

Seriously? This is suppose to about Packers and fans, and sharing knowledge and you're getting offended and making things personal for no reason?

Please stop being offended... you dropped that you got to talk with agents... that's pretty awesome. You drew attention to something you should be proud of! That's a humble brag and again, awesome.

As far as sticking to the subject, it's kind of hard to when you're being personally attacked. Which I'm assuming you felt personally attack for some reason? Which is why I'm assuming you responded like you did including clearly getting off subject yourself and sadly the mods are going to lock this thread too because it's getting personal. 😞
But none of my post was meant as an insult to you!

And to be exact, these three guys were musing about how funny it would be if every team waited for others to sign, so they could all average. Not that I presented it directly to them, but your thought was fully represented in the discussion, it was laughed at because, well, because its pretty stupid. At least the real "experts" think so.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 


Yeah if EVERY team did that, it would be pretty stupid, because they would all be waiting on each other. OF course, I never you're wrongly implying that I said that EVERY team SEEMED to do it, when I just offered the theory that one team SEEMED to do it.

Now to get the real answer you'd have to have both 1265 and Adams' agent tell the same story; because even if you heard from one you couldn't take it to the bank. And they said Ball/Ted ain't talking, EVER. FYI, the speculation ranged from personal [Adams just became a new father a few weeks ago] to several other non cash related contract terms; some of which are being pushed back on by the NFLPA, so they could have been the culprits of the delay as well. But, one thing we know for certain, it wasn't about an amount of money or averaging.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 


GREAT INFO! And this is what I was trying to encourage you to post, so THANK YOU!
I'm going to applauded your post for this part.
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8 years ago

You really do blow a lot of smoke 👅

But seriously, what's up with all the passive aggressive smack talk?

Originally Posted by: beast 



I think you have a secret admirer.
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