Rockmolder
8 years ago

If he had been drafted outside the top 10 I think most people would be calling it a good solid pick. The fact that everyone was expecting so much more out of him as a #5 overall pick is unfortunate for him.

Say what you will about his performance there were not many people who showed up and gave it their all like he did week after week and he took took it in the wallet a couple of times to stay in Green Bay.

Sure I would have liked to have seen a lot more out of him but I'm perfectly fine with the career he had here.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I never really get that sentiment. If he was drafted in the 7th round, people would've called it an amazing pick, but he wasn't. He was drafted at a prime spot for impact players and failed to deliver. He had a solid career, but didn't deliver what the Pack hoped to get out of him.

That said, I agree that he was a good player for the Packers. His production here throughout his GB career is impressive and well worthy of a retirement contract.
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8 years ago

I never really get that sentiment. If he was drafted in the 7th round, people would've called it an amazing pick, but he wasn't. He was drafted at a prime spot for impact players and failed to deliver. He had a solid career, but didn't deliver what the Pack hoped to get out of him.

That said, I agree that he was a good player for the Packers. His production here throughout his GB career is impressive and well worthy of a retirement contract.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



I think 2006 was a weaker class than other years. If Hawk was in most other classes he wouldn't have been a "Top 10" candidate. Teddy went with the position of need instead of BPA. At the time I figured Hawk was a no lose pick. It was a safe pick.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
I never understand how anchoring the defense for 9 years, becoming the teams leading tackler in history, and being available for every game during his time on the team is failing to deliver.


The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Rockmolder
8 years ago

I never understand how anchoring the defense for 9 years, becoming the teams leading tackler in history, and being available for every game during his time on the team is failing to deliver.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Because when you buy an Audi at a cardealer for $40.000, you expect to get a high-end machine. If they then deliver a Suzuki SX4 to your house, you're going to be dissapointed regardless of how well it holds up for the car that it is.

Again, I'm not saying Hawk was a bad player. He was just a very average MLB/ILB. Dependable, with very few flashes of the guy he was at Ohio State, but a guy that did always play his heart out for us.

Also, I'm not that big a fan of longevity records.

With all due respect for Donald Driver, who was an excellent player and person, he's nowhere close to Sterling Sharpe or James Lofton in skill. A guy like Emmitt Smith looks average compared to Barry Sanders, skillwise.

A lack of longevity and availability is a big problem and there's something to be said about availability, but just being available is a feat a lot of players can do.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Because when you buy an Audi at a cardealer for $40.000, you expect to get a high-end machine. If they then deliver a Suzuki SX4 to your house, you're going to be dissapointed regardless of how well it holds up for the car that it is.

Again, I'm not saying Hawk was a bad player. He was just a very average MLB/ILB. Dependable, with very few flashes of the guy he was at Ohio State, but a guy that did always play his heart out for us.

Also, I'm not that big a fan of longevity records.

With all due respect for Donald Driver, who was an excellent player and person, he's nowhere close to Sterling Sharpe or James Lofton in skill. A guy like Emmitt Smith looks average compared to Barry Sanders, skillwise.

A lack of longevity and availability is a big problem and there's something to be said about availability, but just being available is a feat a lot of players can do.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



He was exactly what he was portrayed as during that draft. The safest pick, the most NFL ready, Blue collar. Its the people who have inflated what the expectations were.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
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8 years ago

He was exactly what he was portrayed as during that draft. The safest pick, the most NFL ready, Blue collar. Its the people who have inflated what the expectations were.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



The inflation factor comes from where he was selected. People always hope that a #5 will be HoF- ish. If nothing else, the Hall of the pretty darn good. How many times did people complain that Hawk made the tackle but it was 6-7 yards down field? Some of that is on him and his pursuit angle. Some of it because he is a LBer not a DT.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

The inflation factor comes from where he was selected. People always hope that a #5 will be HoF- ish. If nothing else, the Hall of the pretty darn good. How many times did people complain that Hawk made the tackle but it was 6-7 yards down field? Some of that is on him and his pursuit angle. Some of it because he is a LBer not a DT.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I see that but don't agree with the idea. Early in the draft like that, I see different types of players. We see players picked who are rough but have a high ceiling of potential, and we see players who are "NFL Ready". AJ was the nfl ready type. But it was also pretty well said that he wasn't going to be the guy who comes in and gets drastically better. Heck he wasn't even drafted to be the leader of the defense because we already had that in Nick Barnett. He ended up becoming that after changing defenses.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Rockmolder
8 years ago

He was exactly what he was portrayed as during that draft. The safest pick, the most NFL ready, Blue collar. Its the people who have inflated what the expectations were.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



There's no way on this earth that any general manager in the NFL would have pulled the trigger at 5th overall if the scouting report said that AJ Hawk would become what he eventually did become in the NFL. Especially not at the position he played.

I remember reading scouting reports about him being the best player in the draft after Reggie Bush. The safest pick to make the HOF. Okay, those were a bit overboard, but I certainly didn't see a single scouting report that Hawk would turn into way more of a reactionary player with seemingly lesser instinct than he had in college.

Hawk turned out to be a decent and dependable player, but I just can't see why anyone would think that we got what we expected at pick 5.

And if you mean scouts, GMs, fans and everyone else by the people, I very much agree with you, but I don't very much see your point. That's pretty much a statement that rings true of every single player ever drafted.

EDIT: I have a hard time finding proper scouting reports, but this article gives a decent feel for the opinion about Hawk at the time. 
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