Zero2Cool
8 years ago
Since winning the Super Bowl in 2010, the Packers have used 5 picks in the 1st round and 3 picks in 2nd round on defense.

2016 1 27 NT Kenny Clark
2015 1 30 DB Damarious Randall
2015 2 62 DB Quinten Rollins
2014 1 21 DB Ha`Sean Clinton-Dix
2013 1 26 DE Datone Jones
2012 1 28 DE Nick Perry
2012 2 51 DT Jerel Worthy
2012 2 62 DB Casey Hayward



I think you gotta hit on at least 1/3 (actually that's a Ron Wolf quote) of your draft picks. Personally, I feel in round one and two you gotta be batting more like .500 at least. Of the 8 picks, I see only two or three studs and by studs I mean solid starters who can contribute.

Kenny Clark - came on strong at the end of the season.
Randall - I think he's a bust
Rollins - probably going to be the better of the two in that draft
Clinton-Dix - as good as he is, he's equally shitty at tackling
Jones - did well at LB or whatever position they called it
Perry - monster ... when healthy ... rarely healthy
Worthy - is this guy in the NFL?
Hayward - 2015 draft plus injuries and Ladarius Gunter made him expendable


I know very little about college players coming into the draft so I'm not saying I knew we should taken someone else. I'm not that moron, but here's something that'll piss ya off. Maybe.

Landon Collins was taken 3 spots after D. Randall in 2015
Tyler Lockett was taken 7 spots after Q. Rollins in 2015
DeAndre Hopkins was taken right after Datone Jones in 2013
Travis Frederick was taken 5 spots after Datone Jones in 2013
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Dulak
8 years ago
Id like us to go back to man to man coverage with our dbs ... and ya get some tall dbs that can do the job. I like clinton dix, didnt get a defense player of the week a few weeks back?

I do like jack ryan also reminds me alot of err thats not good forgot his name now ... the dude that isnt there anymore that was there forever ...

dbs ilb and probably another DT/DE and olb would be great in the draft. or heck 3 dbs lol but no shorties ... we had rollins and randall and thats enough for slackers.

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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
For an interesting comparison. Lets look at Wolf's drafts.
92' Tbuck (rd1), Mark D'Onofrio(rd2)
93' Gearge Teague(rd1),Wayne Simmons(rd1)
94' Aaron Taylor(rd1),
95' Craig Newsome(rd1)
96' John Michels(1), Derrick Mayes(2)
97' Ross Verba(1), Darren Sharper(2)
98' Vonnie Holiday(rd1)
99' Antuan Edwards(1), Fred Vinson(2)
00' Bubba Franks(1), Chad Clifton(2).

Of all of Wolfs 1st or 2nd rounders I might call 3 of them "studs" Sharper, Franks and Clifton. Some others ended up with good careers but for other teams. Looking from just 2010 to current is not very good. Clark looks promising this year, and Rollins and Randall both looked good last year but suffered from injury all this year so it is pretty hard to tell until they have time. Remember Nick Collins didn't become a Stud his first few years either. Over his entire draft history on defense, I would say about 1/2 of his picks have produced for the team.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Zero2Cool
8 years ago

For an interesting comparison. Lets look at Wolf's drafts.
92' Tbuck (rd1), Mark D'Onofrio(rd2)
93' Gearge Teague(rd1),Wayne Simmons(rd1)
94' Aaron Taylor(rd1),
95' Craig Newsome(rd1)
96' John Michels(1), Derrick Mayes(2)
97' Ross Verba(1), Darren Sharper(2)
98' Vonnie Holiday(rd1)
99' Antuan Edwards(1), Fred Vinson(2)
00' Bubba Franks(1), Chad Clifton(2).

Of all of Wolfs 1st or 2nd rounders I might call 3 of them "studs" Sharper, Franks and Clifton. Some others ended up with good careers but for other teams. Looking from just 2010 to current is not very good. Clark looks promising this year, and Rollins and Randall both looked good last year but suffered from injury all this year so it is pretty hard to tell until they have time. Remember Nick Collins didn't become a Stud his first few years either. Over his entire draft history on defense, I would say about 1/2 of his picks have produced for the team.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



You and I could have been fielded on defense and with Fritz Shurmur, we would have been kick ass.
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luigis
8 years ago
2016 1 27 NT Kenny Clark => Too soon to grade.
2015 1 30 DB Damarious Randall => BUST
2015 2 62 DB Quinten Rollins => BUST
2014 1 21 DB Ha`Sean Clinton-Dix => Difficult to judge can be great or bust depending on what he does next season.
2013 1 26 DE Datone Jones => Not a 1st rounder, maybe a 2nd or 3rd.
2012 1 28 DE Nick Perry => Ok, but injuries have been a problem.
2012 2 51 DT Jerel Worthy => BUST
2012 2 62 DB Casey Hayward => Ok


Luis
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

You and I could have been fielded on defense and with Fritz Shurmur, we would have been kick ass.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



And yet there was constant calls for his replacement like they do for Dom
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
dhazer
8 years ago

2016 1 27 NT Kenny Clark => Too soon to grade.
2015 1 30 DB Damarious Randall => BUST
2015 2 62 DB Quinten Rollins => BUST
2014 1 21 DB Ha`Sean Clinton-Dix => Difficult to judge can be great or bust depending on what he does next season.
2013 1 26 DE Datone Jones => Not a 1st rounder, maybe a 2nd or 3rd.
2012 1 28 DE Nick Perry => Ok, but injuries have been a problem.
2012 2 51 DT Jerel Worthy => BUST
2012 2 62 DB Casey Hayward => Ok


Originally Posted by: luigis 



I was just wondering if you do realize that Casey Hayward lead the league in INTs this year right?
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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dhazer
8 years ago

For an interesting comparison. Lets look at Wolf's drafts.
92' Tbuck (rd1), Mark D'Onofrio(rd2)
93' Gearge Teague(rd1),Wayne Simmons(rd1)
94' Aaron Taylor(rd1),
95' Craig Newsome(rd1)
96' John Michels(1), Derrick Mayes(2)
97' Ross Verba(1), Darren Sharper(2)
98' Vonnie Holiday(rd1)
99' Antuan Edwards(1), Fred Vinson(2)
00' Bubba Franks(1), Chad Clifton(2).

Of all of Wolfs 1st or 2nd rounders I might call 3 of them "studs" Sharper, Franks and Clifton. Some others ended up with good careers but for other teams. Looking from just 2010 to current is not very good. Clark looks promising this year, and Rollins and Randall both looked good last year but suffered from injury all this year so it is pretty hard to tell until they have time. Remember Nick Collins didn't become a Stud his first few years either. Over his entire draft history on defense, I would say about 1/2 of his picks have produced for the team.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



To me I see alot of solid players that were drafted
T Buck had a long career and actually was pretty solid once he moved on
Teague and Simmons were solid players on our defense for a good time
Taylor was a very solid lineman for us
Newman was a very good CB for us until he got greedy
Verba and Sharper ended up with great careers
Franks was solid but did drop alot of passes
And Clifton to me was a stud that gave his live to the Packers and deserves Love.

So I would suggest Wolf did a Belichick type drafting.

Be nice to get something like that again and don't forget he also traded for a certain HOF QB and landed a HOF defensive player.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

And yet there was constant calls for his replacement like they do for Dom

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 


Maybe living in Green Bay and reading the paper, magazines, watching TV shows and listening to the radio wasn't enough, but this wasn't ever a huge thing in Green Bay. Never was there a constant demand to have Fritz replaced that I heard.

I was just wondering if you do realize that Casey Hayward lead the league in INTs this year right?

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



Last five years of season interception leaders. A real list of elite of the elites, lol.

2016 Casey Hayward
2015 Reggie Nelson/Marcus Peters
2014 Glover Quin
2013 Richard Sherman
2012 Tim Jennings
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

Be nice to get something like that again and don't forget he also traded for a certain HOF QB and landed a HOF defensive player.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



Current GM won as many Super Bowl's a Ron Wolf and
- drafted future hall of fame QB.
- landed future hall of fame CB.
- landed future hall of fame LB.
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