On the play with Ty was injured, I thought the forward progress had stopped and they made the right call. I would have felt like way if it was any other team. My friend says that's not how forward progress works and that he was still fighting for yards regardless. I can't remember. I'm happy about the win, but do you think the refs blew the call there? Also, do you think the Eli fumble was actually a forward pass?

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I don't think forward progress was really a great call because it was so quick but they do tend to blow a quick whistle when someone is being bent awkwardly like that so... Either way his knee was down so the result of the play was still correct

The NFL is much quicker to give forward progress these days.

At a glance I that Manning was bringing his hand forward thus incomplete but they reviewed it so he must not have.

The thing that GB has done the past few wees that I think should be disallowed is when the RB (Typically Montgomery is in a scrum and one of the OLmen comes running in and hits the whole group they give GB the full forward progress. Many times he is hitting another Packer. Today I saw him hit a NYG player. Today a case could be made that he was merely blocking a defender on a live ball. The other times I thought the refs could have thrown a flag for pushing the RB forward. (I think Rip's TD was aided by one of the linemen in his back.)

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The NFL is really inconsistent in how they apply forward progress and has been for a long time now. Thought it was an odd ruling.

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By the time Manning's hand was coming forward, the ball was already out of his hand, thus a correct call. Just because his hand pushed the ball forward doesn't make it a forwrd pass if the ball is already loose.

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I was surprised they ruled forward progress on Ty, because if he broke a tackle, he possible could of got more. I feel like forward progress was not the right call, but I was thinking his knee might of went down before the ball came out, but I never saw a good camera angle of his knees/ball to even half way say either.

The QB fumble vs forward pass seems to keep getting ruled differently which makes it a bit harder to call... but personally it looked like a clear fumble at full speed to me, Eli's arm, and the ball, are going up when Matthews make contact with the ball, and then Eli's arm goes forward... and Peppers reacted like it was a fumble as well (other than not willing to knock am unexpected guy to the ground for it like Matthews was)... so I think that was fairly clear and more straight forward than a lot of those fumble/pass plays.

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Sec. 2 Article 1 defines when a dead ball is declared. "...(b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends."

It's pure judgment and is not dependent, per se, on whether the feet of the runner are moving, though if the ref sees the feet moving he may think the runner still has a chance to break a tackle or fall forward.

I think the whistle on the Monty play was a little quick. But once it was blown, that's it, the play is over and even if there is a fumble it cannot be reviewed nor can the ball be given to the other team [unless a full recovery is made before the whistle]. They said forward progress was stopped only because one ref blew a whistle. If the one ref didn't blow the whistle another ref may have given ball to NY and/or the play could have been reviewed.

That ref will get a talkin' to for the quick whistle. They are instructed to not blow the whistle too quick so if an error is made it can be fixed after review.

Fans around us were asking why are they still going, play is dead. You could tell his progress was stopped pretty quick there. Even the drunks saw that, lol.

That being said, I would rather a late whistle than a quick whistle. E.g. the Clay Matthews sack fumble recovery type of play.

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I think the quick whistle was partly to do with the way he was being bent awkwardly. I've seen quick whistles before when players get put in weird positions.

They need to blow the whistle faster on more plays rather than fewer. I can do without the junk yardage that happens after a play gets stacked up.

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