vegOmatic
15 years ago
And Zero2Cool is now off my Christmas card list for even bothering with Packer Chatters. Fans of every team has their losers and idiots, the bottom 10% of Packer fans can be found at PC.
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flep
15 years ago
These trades are nearly as bad as the Herschel Walker, Dallas to Minnesota one.

Ok that was a lie

Nothing will ever be that bad again.

These trades however are lose, lose for the pack, we're giving up way to much.
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kmeyer
15 years ago
I for one really want Peppers in GB, but not at that price. Thats way too much.
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Packers_Finland
15 years ago
The Chiefs one, I wouldn't be mad, I would actually think it's an ok trade.

If we got Peppers by giving up those players and picks I'd go batshit insane. That's one of the worst deals I've ever seen.
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evad04
15 years ago

The Chiefs one, I wouldn't be mad, I would actually think it's an ok trade.

If we got Peppers by giving up those players and picks I'd go batshit insane. That's one of the worst deals I've ever seen.

"Packers_Finland" wrote:


Okay, I'm with you all on the Peppers trade being ridiculous. But IMO the Gonzalez trade is laughably bad as well. How would ANYONE on this board think a tightend heading into the twilight of his career is worth a starting CB (heading into the twilight of his career) in ADDITION to a first round pick and two thirds?

Really ... don't anyone tell me you'd give up even a first round pick for Tony Gonzalez. It's not often that 33 year old TEs get better with age.
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kmeyer
15 years ago
I even think the Chiefs one is too expensive. We need those picks to build depth and hopefully find a gem if lucky with one of the later ones. Giving up all that for a aging veteran is a lot. With our luck the third overall pick will blow out his knee in training camp and career over. Then Tony retires after this next season and where are we?
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GermanGilbert
15 years ago


Okay, I'm with you all on the Peppers trade being ridiculous. But IMO the Gonzalez trade is laughably bad as well. How would ANYONE on this board think a tightend heading into the twilight of his career is worth a starting CB (heading into the twilight of his career) in ADDITION to a first round pick and two thirds?

Really ... don't anyone tell me you'd give up even a first round pick for Tony Gonzalez. It's not often that 33 year old TEs get better with age.

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the 2 thirds are for the uptrade from #9 to #3, which is very very cheap 😉
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millertime
15 years ago

Ted Thompson might consider doing no. 9 for Peppers straight up. But not with Harris, Brohm, and Popps.

"pack93z" wrote:



Seriously?

First to give up a premium pick like the #9 for a guy that has never taken a snap in the 3-4 is borderline high risk when compounded with the salary he will command.

Let's dig a little deeper, for as good of a pass rusher Peppers can be, he also can be ran directly at, he isn't as stout at the point of attack as a guy his size should be.

So, if he can't anchor the point he can't be pinned in at Dline.. so now you are risking all that money and the 9th pick in the draft for an experiment of moving him to OLB?

We already have "a can he make the transition question in Kampman".. with this you times it by two...

I don't like bringing Peppers in for just the huge money he would command if he was a FA.. let alone give up a premium pick in the process.

"millertime" wrote:



Last year the guy selected #8 was Derrick Harvey (I'm using his contract assuming the typical inflation from 08 to 09). He got very little playing time with J-ville (mainly due to a holdout). His rookie contract had $17.175 million in guaranteed money, $23.8 million before incentives and $33.4 million in total potential money. $17 million for a guy who has never played a down in profootball when he signed? Not to mention the likeihood of a holdout or other negotiation problems?

We're going to give $17 million guaranteed to some kid who may not even pan out!. I'd rather guarantee $30 million to a guy who has proven his worth (Peppers) than $17 million to someone who may become a bust (Harrell) or average (Hawk).

You and I may disagree here, but the Pack can afford to front load his contract for a few seasons to give us some flexibility to cut him down the line if his production drops. (For example, Haynesworth's deal could be worth $115 million with incentives over 7 years, but in all actuality is a 4 year deal with $12 millions per season. After the 4th year, the Skin's can release him or restructure his deal if he doesn't pan out.)

We need an impact player on D. There are very few guy in the league that command the attention that Peppers does. We could also load his contract with incentives (like we did with Grant and Washington did with Haynesworth) to protect ourselves if he can't adjust to the 3-4.

You can't tell me that whoever we get at #9 (Okrapo, Jenkins, etc.) at $17 million is a safer bet than Peppers at $30 million. Even supposed can't miss players (cough... A.J. Hawk) may not fulfill a teams expectations when they draft him.

If we're talking about risk, give me the player that has proven he can play (averages 10 sacks a season, 14.5 last year), than some rookie who's never played a down in NFL! The Vikes traded a first rounder and two 3rds for Jared Allen, who was more risky than Peppers due to character issues. And it payed dividends for them. He tooked there D to the next level (see 2nd Packers game).

I understand people's love for draft picks, but getting a player like Peppers is a rare opportunity. GB should investigate this fully in my opinion.
Dulak
15 years ago

That Panthers trade is one of the worst things I have ever seen. I'd rather you just posted a picture of tubgirl.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



I agree!

Packers Get

Julius Peppers
Panthers 59th overall selection

Panthers Get

Brian Brohm
Al Harris
Brady Poppinga
Packers 9th overall selection

I mean come on - harris kicks peppers ass ... and they get our 9th pick too? WTF? Harris is one of the best coverage guys there is in the league IMO he's consistant compared to a unconsistant peppers.
TheKanataThrilla
15 years ago
I guess Al Harris messed around with this guy's girlfriend. Both trades are absolutely nuts from a Packers point of view.
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