Cheesey
8 years ago

Most QBs are sitting ducks when they hold the ball for 8+.

And yeah, he could throw ot away wihout a grounding call if there is a player within 15 yards. QBs hrow it out of bounds all the time.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



QB's also throw INTS sometimes when they do that.
Yes, he sometimes holds onto the ball too long. But he's STILL much better then most NFL QB's.
I think he feels that each time he drops back, he will find SOMEONE open eventually. Thus, holding the ball too long.
He HATES throwing INT's. And to me, that's GOOD. Not a negative thing.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Most QBs are sitting ducks when they hold the ball for 8+.

And yeah, he could throw ot away wihout a grounding call if there is a player within 15 yards. QBs hrow it out of bounds all the time.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



So he has been sacked 30 times. Even if you assume each of them are a result of him holding the ball for 8+ seconds, he has still made far more than 30 plays this year by holding the ball. Sure he could throw the ball away sooner, but doing so would end up taking away more positive plays than it would save negative plays.

Punt after sacked, or punt after throwing the ball away. Only thing that really changes is the yard line the punt is from.
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DarkaneRules
8 years ago
I'd rather him take sacks than throw picks. Just sayin'.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

QB's also throw INTS sometimes when they do that.
Yes, he sometimes holds onto the ball too long. But he's STILL much better then most NFL QB's.
I think he feels that each time he drops back, he will find SOMEONE open eventually. Thus, holding the ball too long.
He HATES throwing INT's. And to me, that's GOOD. Not a negative thing.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



He could find someone in 2 seconds, if he was willing to throw the ball for less than 25 yards.
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Porforis
8 years ago

He could find someone in 2 seconds, if he was willing to throw the ball for less than 25 yards.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2016/ 

Aaron Rodgers is 32nd in the league in "air yards" per attempt, which is a stat I haven't seen used before but it's yards minus YAC. Unfortunately nobody seems to track metrics on yards per pass attempt (how many yards the ball was thrown on ANY pass, complete or incomplete) which would be the definitive figure.

Yes, he was throwing more bombs earlier in the year. No, this is not par for the course for Aaron Rodgers and overall he does not throw notably more deep balls than any other NFL quarterback.
nerdmann
8 years ago

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2016/

Aaron Rodgers is 32nd in the league in "air yards" per attempt, which is a stat I haven't seen used before but it's yards minus YAC. Unfortunately nobody seems to track metrics on yards per pass attempt (how many yards the ball was thrown on ANY pass, complete or incomplete) which would be the definitive figure.

Yes, he was throwing more bombs earlier in the year. No, this is not par for the course for Aaron Rodgers and overall he does not throw notably more deep balls than any other NFL quarterback.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



All that tells us is how infrequently he's been connecting deep. Which is yet another reason I didn't like that last throw to Jordy.
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Porforis
8 years ago

All that tells us is how infrequently he's been connecting deep. Which is yet another reason I didn't like that last throw to Jordy.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Earlier this season? Absolutely. Rodgers' career as a whole? He's been one of the better if not best deep passers throughout his career in terms of completion percentage. Your observations simply do not match up with the facts. He's been connecting on average just under 50% of the time. I'd love to give you exact stats and rankings, but I don't have PFF's premium stats, so I'll have to rely on a few articles to prove my point.

Sources:
2015: Rodgers at 51.6%, a clear #1 (next most accurate is 43.2%)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491902-aaron-rodgers-big-ben-orjay-cutler-ranking-the-nfls-best-deep-passers 

2009-2012: Rodgers at 46.5%, #7 among QBs during that period
https://www.profootballfocus.com/three-years-of-deep-passing/ 

2013: 48.8%, or 5th in the league
http://deadspin.com/charts-who-are-the-best-deep-passers-in-the-nfl-1469917039 


Side note: I legitimately like that half the time we're in complete agreement on topics, and the other half we're in complete disagreement.
nerdmann
8 years ago

Earlier this season? Absolutely. Rodgers' career as a whole? He's been one of the better if not best deep passers throughout his career in terms of completion percentage. Your observations simply do not match up with the facts. He's been connecting on average just under 50% of the time. I'd love to give you exact stats and rankings, but I don't have PFF's premium stats, so I'll have to rely on a few articles to prove my point.

Sources:
2015: Rodgers at 51.6%, a clear #1 (next most accurate is 43.2%)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491902-aaron-rodgers-big-ben-orjay-cutler-ranking-the-nfls-best-deep-passers 

2009-2012: Rodgers at 46.5%, #7 among QBs during that period
https://www.profootballfocus.com/three-years-of-deep-passing/ 

2013: 48.8%, or 5th in the league
http://deadspin.com/charts-who-are-the-best-deep-passers-in-the-nfl-1469917039 


Side note: I legitimately like that half the time we're in complete agreement on topics, and the other half we're in complete disagreement.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



If Jordy was Jordy and Aaron was Aaron, I wouldn't like it, but I would dislike it less. But Jordy isn't the same and Aaron's head has been up his ass for two seasons now.

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steveishere
8 years ago

If Jordy was Jordy and Aaron was Aaron, I wouldn't like it, but I would dislike it less. But Jordy isn't the same and Aaron's head has been up his ass for two seasons now.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Well one thing you can't say is that he hasn't been money on long ass passes with little time left in the game.
Zero2Cool
8 years ago

Well one thing you can't say is that he hasn't been money on long ass passes with little time left in the game.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Why can't he say that? He says whatever else he wants regardless of facts, why change now? 😂 🤣
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