nerdmann
7 years ago

Ty may look the part of a RB but he isn't. The plays they called for him were not the same plays they called for Starks or Michael. If you are only going to look at his avg then let's say that Janis is the best rb because he has a 19 yd per carry avg.

Ty 5-6 times a game is fine. 15-20 times won't work.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Get him some Roger Craig type screens. Get him in the flat with open field and blockers in front of him.
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7 years ago

Get him some Roger Craig type screens. Get him in the flat with open field and blockers in front of him.

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So in other words, don't treat him like a RB. Treat him like a WR in the backfield. 👍
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7 years ago

Who cares about giving him 15-20 carries, we barely give Lacy 15-20 carries. The simple fact is our offense as a whole works better with Montgomery in the backfield than with anyone else on the team and probably better than with anyone else we could possibly acquire. If you wanna punch it up the gut use RIP but even if we use Monty differently (from other guys) he's still effective and that's what matters. Some of those extra runs with Monty are just substituted with short quick passes which have been effective so big deal. If Michael comes on a bit and picks up the playbook then good, between him Monty and RIP we've got a solid backfield but focusing the offense around having Monty in the backfield has so far had very good results.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



You are missing my point entirely. Maybe it is my fault. I thought I have been clear but apparently not.

I do not mind Ty being in the backfield. He can start the game and line up back their for 45-50 plays for all I care.

They can give him screens, draws and short passes by the dozens. All well and good.

My point is just because he is big and strong, just because he is by far the best athlete they have that they can stick back there DOESN'T MAKE HIM A RB.

That doesn't mean I don't want to see him touch the ball 20 times a game.

All I have ever said is the typical RB lives between the tackles. While Monty can do that for 2-3 plays a game I would much rather see him get outside on runs. (no more than 5 or 6 in a game.) I would rather see him block a pass rusher and then sneak across the LOS for Aaron to dump the pass off to him. I would rather see him get a screen out in the flats. Those types of plays will serve him and the Packers better than having him run behind the LG and C for 2 or 3 yards.

Lacy and other true (prototypical) RBs would could follow their G/C for the 3 yards and then hammer away another 3-4 yards with 2 or 3 defenders hanging on them breaking one on occasion.


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Smokey
7 years ago
run the football
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steveishere
7 years ago

You are missing my point entirely. Maybe it is my fault. I thought I have been clear but apparently not.

I do not mind Ty being in the backfield. He can start the game and line up back their for 45-50 plays for all I care.

They can give him screens, draws and short passes by the dozens. All well and good.

My point is just because he is big and strong, just because he is by far the best athlete they have that they can stick back there DOESN'T MAKE HIM A RB.

That doesn't mean I don't want to see him touch the ball 20 times a game.

All I have ever said is the typical RB lives between the tackles. While Monty can do that for 2-3 plays a game I would much rather see him get outside on runs. (no more than 5 or 6 in a game.) I would rather see him block a pass rusher and then sneak across the LOS for Aaron to dump the pass off to him. I would rather see him get a screen out in the flats. Those types of plays will serve him and the Packers better than having him run behind the LG and C for 2 or 3 yards.

Lacy and other true (prototypical) RBs would could follow their G/C for the 3 yards and then hammer away another 3-4 yards with 2 or 3 defenders hanging on them breaking one on occasion.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Ok, I guess I just don't see what is the limiting factor in him being a RB. When he's in we run more outside zone and trap/counter type plays because that takes advantage of his quick feet and acceleration. With decent blocking we could pound him up the middle on power runs with some success because he's shown good balance and tackle breaking ability and he certainly finishes runs HARD but that type of running doesn't really take advantage of his strengths, we can use Michael and RIP on those types of runs.

It's not like he's been out there going down easy on contact and only being elusive with his feet like you would see from a WR. I don't know man go back and watch some of his stuff from this year (or even last year when he took Richard Sherman off his feet), he finishes his runs like a RB as far as I can tell. How many WRs do you see just trucking guys like that.
Zero2Cool
7 years ago

It's not like he's been out there going down easy on contact and only being elusive with his feet like you would see from a WR. I don't know man go back and watch some of his stuff from this year (or even last year when he took Richard Sherman off his feet), he finishes his runs like a RB as far as I can tell. How many WRs do you see just trucking guys like that.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



He hits harder than a lot of RB's out there, yet, some actually want to whine about him being called a RB? As if there is some certain criteria that must be adhered to. It's absurd.

If we were talking Trevor Davis, I could understand, but it's Ty Montgomery. Dude is a shit brick house and he's been practicing the RB position MOST of the season and has been getting carries and doing a damn good job. What's there to bitch about? (no worries, someone will find SOMETHING)

Some folks need to understand this isn't the 50's anymore. Get with the times jethro! hahhaha

On a serious note, can we complain about Lane Taylor or Jake Schum (sp) in this thread?
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Ok, I guess I just don't see what is the limiting factor in him being a RB. When he's in we run more outside zone and trap/counter type plays because that takes advantage of his quick feet and acceleration. With decent blocking we could pound him up the middle on power runs with some success because he's shown good balance and tackle breaking ability and he certainly finishes runs HARD but that type of running doesn't really take advantage of his strengths, we can use Michael and RIP on those types of runs.

It's not like he's been out there going down easy on contact and only being elusive with his feet like you would see from a WR. I don't know man go back and watch some of his stuff from this year (or even last year when he took Richard Sherman off his feet), he finishes his runs like a RB as far as I can tell. How many WRs do you see just trucking guys like that.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I have done must best to explain my position. If you still don't get it I can't help define it any more.

Show me when I have ever said he would fall down like a 175 pound smurf type WR or worse yet run out of bounds to avoid contact giving up 5 yards. Show me where I said he can't hit hard like a RB. He can but the plays where they treat him like that type of RB are few and far between. They don't run him up the middle 6 plays in a row for 2 first downs.
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Dulak
7 years ago
I think TM does great in the back-field but IMO he is too valuable to run the ball that much; like his trick plays or options or reverses or short pass plays or slants; things that require muscle and speed; not just muscle.

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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

They don't run him up the middle 6 plays in a row for 2 first downs.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



The Packers don't do this with ANY running back!!!! OMG!!!!
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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
You can call him a punter for all I care, He runs good, catches good, and the offense is more potent when he is playing in this role.
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