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yooperfan
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#11

McCarthy is a good coach, it just isn't working with this team anymore.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

He may be a good coach but as a head coach/offensive coordinator he is uninspiring and would be easily dismissed.

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

#12

He may be a good coach but as a head coach/offensive coordinator he is uninspiring and would be easily dismissed.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

Mike is great with X's and O's. He's great at developing QBs.

He needs to either hire a sports psychologist or go back to school and educate himself on the subject.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

8 years ago

#13

The reason why I don't understand about the argument that a coach has a limited shelf life is that there is such a tremendous amount of turnover on an NFL roster. In eight years, what percentage of a typical roster has turned over? It's got to be at least 80 percent, right? Possibly a lot higher than that?

Let's use the Packers as an example: The longest-tenured player on this team—by several years—is Aaron Rodgers, who also happens to be the only player on the roster whose arrival predates Mike McCarthy's. After Rodgers, the only other players with more than eight years on the roster are Mason Crosby, who was drafted in 2007; Jordy Nelson, drafted in 2008; and Brett Goode, signed in 2008. At the eight-year mark are Clay Matthews III and T.J. Lang, drafted in 2009. So we can see that only 11% of the players on the Green Bay roster have been here for eight or more years, and the Packers are known for being exceptional in their tendency to draft and hold.

It doesn't seem to me like there's enough players on this roster who have been with McCarthy long enough for his message to have gone stale—and it is probable that the Packers actually have less turnover than most teams. Can someone tell me what I am missing?

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#14

Mike is great with X's and O's. He's great at developing QBs.

He needs to either hire a sports psychologist or go back to school and educate himself on the subject.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

What QBs did he really develop?

He may have been great with X's and O's but I think the success this team had made him lackadaisical. He allowed the offense to become dependent on free plays and busted/extended plays. the only thing that has been consistent his entire time in GB is not being able to consistently generate a pass rush.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#15

Why I don't understand about the argument that a coach has a limited shelf life is that there is such a tremendous amount of turnover on an NFL roster. In eight years, what percentage of a typical roster has turned over? It's got to be at least 80 percent, right? Possibly a lot higher than that?

Let's use the Packers as an example: The longest-tenured player on this team—by several years—is Aaron Rodgers, who also happens to be the only player on the roster whose arrival predates Mike McCarthy's. After Rodgers, the only other players with more than eight years on the roster are Mason Crosby, who was drafted in 2007; Jordy Nelson, drafted in 2008; and Brett Goode, signed in 2008. At the eight-year mark are Clay Matthews III and T.J. Lang, drafted in 2009. So we can see that only 11% of the players on the Green Bay roster have been here for eight or more years, and the Packers are known for being exceptional in their tendency to draft and hold.

It doesn't seem to me like there's enough players on this roster who have been with McCarthy long enough for his message to have gone stale—and it is probable that the Packers actually have less turnover than most teams. Can someone tell me what I am missing?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel

Its not uncommon for a new coach to have success, and after while teams figuring out what they do. It is more common than coaches having extended careers with the same team. Belichick is a rare thing in coaching life he seems to reinvent the patriot offense every couple years based on his personnel. McCarthy is the third longest tenured head coach and it from watching games the last few years it definitely looks like defenses have figured him out. he has even said they are not going to change what they do. Well he needs to change what they are doing because it is not working near the level it has. And it could be argued that the only reason it has worked for as long as it did is because of the offensive talent between Favre, Rodgers, Driver, Jennings, Jones and Jordy primarily.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

steveishere
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#16

I really hope they can turn it around go on a run and win the Superbowl but the offense has struggled for over a year now. We have a HC/playcaller whose offense we are running, and assistant HC/offense AND an offensive coordinator yet none of them seems to have an answer. I don't think McCarthy is a bad coach or anything but he's very stubborn and it's been a while since we've brought in any good coaches with fresh ideas on that side of the ball.

I know McCarthy is very into the promoting from within thing but in a league based majorly on change and adaptation bringing in some new perspectives isn't a bad thing. I think our current situation is one where we would have benefited from having a HC who is just a HC and not a playcaller who hires other coaches to help run his own system.

DakotaT
Select Member

8 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: steveishere

This promoting from within shit has been to our detriment. There have been plenty of players hit free agency that could have helped this team win super bowls. Proven players that would solidified weak positions and strengthened our team. We pissed away Favre's career, and are presently pissing away Aaron's.

I share your sentiment about making a run, but how about for a change, we spend our cap and load the team up for a legitimate shot at a title. I think the fans are owed this, instead of having a penny pinching ultra conservative failing year after year.

All we can do now is watch the season play out.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

8 years ago

#18

You just don't get it, do you. The only thing standing between this Packers team and a Super Bowl run is . . .

. . . signing Joique Bell.

😝

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