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Porforis
8 years ago

I'd like to see his commitment to adhering to fundamentals.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



He's never adhered to fundamentals, ever. He's always had a wonky delivery, he's always preferred to throw rolling out.
nerdmann
8 years ago

He's never adhered to fundamentals, ever. He's always had a wonky delivery, he's always preferred to throw rolling out.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Youre thinking of Bert. Aaron has deceloped this mania for sandlot ball, but thats the problem. He doesnt take 3 or 5 step drops. Doesnt go thru his progressions.
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8 years ago
I'm not sure what would happen to the quality of my job performance if I had the opportunities to hang out with Olivia Munn with great frequency.

Actually, I am pretty sure what would happen.

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Porforis
8 years ago

Youre thinking of Bert. Aaron has deceloped this mania for sandlot ball, but thats the problem. He doesnt take 3 or 5 step drops. Doesnt go thru his progressions.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



That was exactly my point. He's never been that player, and he's enjoyed tremendous success in the past being the player he is. I don't disagree that he's drifted FURTHER away from fundamentals, but as far as a commitment to adhering to them, that's not the player he is or ever was.
nerdmann
8 years ago

That was exactly my point. He's never been that player, and he's enjoyed tremendous success in the past being the player he is. I don't disagree that he's drifted FURTHER away from fundamentals, but as far as a commitment to adhering to them, that's not the player he is or ever was.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



He was always the "mechanics" guy. That's how Mike built him, from the ground up into a QB.
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Barfarn
8 years ago

Its was and has been play calling. Only need to look at the Fumble last night. Every WR 10-15 yards downfield before making any cuts. When the offense was working last night, it was predominately routes <10yards. They keep running 2-3 WR in different combinations of routes under 10 yards deep, the deep routes will open up, and the chance for pass rush to get to Rodgers decreases.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



First: it was 3rd and 10!!!!!

Second: The play design on the subject play was excellent, as they were all night, as they have been for each of the past 16 weeks.

Back to basics moment. That chart you see McCarthy has in his hand has plays grouped in a handful of different ways. Most of the plays on that card are grouped by down and distance. The plays grouped under, for example, 1st and 10; 2nd and 4-6; 3rd and 2-4 are likely to have a greater # of WRs running shorter routes [given the game plan designed for Bears] than a play grouped under 3rd and 10. A well designed 3rd and 10 play will often have 2-3 receivers beyond the line to gain and 2 or 3 receivers running shorter routes. The shorter routes serve 2 purposes: (1) to move the underneath cover guys to a spot on the field so they are not in front of the receivers making their cuts at or beyond the sticks; and (2) in the event the deeper receivers are not open or the rush doesn't permit time, the QB can dump off to avoid the sack, get at least some field position yards and if something exceptional occurs maybe even get that 1st down.

On the subject play, Rodgers' first read was to R.Rodgers on an In at 7 yards, who was open by a full yard and covered by a LB. Rodgers no pressure and perfect vision to throw a strike; but unless the throw was 100% perfect, the LB would most likely tackle RRodgers for a 7-8 yard gain. Even if the throw hits R.Rodgers perfectly in stride, R.Rodgers could still have been tackled short of the sticks. In hindsight that is the throw ARodgers should have done; but based on the circumstances at the time, it was not a bad decision for Rodgers not to throw make that throw. Rodgers could have no sense that a jail break was about to occur; so given the protection he had to that point, undoubtedly, Rodgers assumed he'd have time to complete to Reads 2A and B on left for the first or Read 3 on right.

Up to this point in the play he resembled MVP Rodgers. But then, [trumpet sound] da, da, da, da, Trust Boy Rodgers appears:

It took a while, but a stunting DLman came around Bulaga, who tried to block the stunt and the man he'd been stone-walling, which allowed both to break free. You can see when Rodgers starts his evasive action. The MVP Rodgers at that moment would have unloaded the ball to a wide open Monty circling out of the backfield. Monty had 7-8 yards for sure and might have gotten the 1st if WRs block well or CBs cant tackle him. Take note of the exceptional play design: R. Rodgers takes the rest of the underneath coverage right, Monty circles out of backfield from right and runs a Cross left! PERFECTION!

Of course the 2nd bone head move by doppelganger Rodgers was that MVP Rodgers would have never fumbled there. NO ONE EVEN TOUCHED THE BALL.
Barfarn
8 years ago

So does that defend the idea that Aaron is "tanking it in purpose" though? 😂

Because, beyond emotion, there obviously isn't a better explanation right. If he wasn't trying to destroy this team on purpose we would have had 11 TD.

I swear, us Packers fan sometimes.

Originally Posted by: The_Green_Ninja 



You're arguing using the logical fallacy of the "Strawman." The "it"in "tanking it" has never referred to an individual act or play; but you are pretending that is what "it" meant.

Lets' use simile:

Lacy did not "intend" to get fat and out of shape. However, in the 2014 off season Lacy made thousands of micro decisions that were 100% intentional, like: not running those steps today or that mile tomorrow; not stopping after eating 5lbs of prime rib; eating a 6 gallon hot fudge sunday, etc.

Rodgers could and should be working on, for example: ball security; seeing a psychologist about trusting his receivers; working on his footwork, balance and arm slot; forcing himself to go through the progressions; when a play comes in he does like endeavor to act like a grown-up instead of a pouting petulant debutante that didnt get the dress she wanted for her cotillion; etc. Rodgers has 100% intentional refused to work on these things just like Lacy intentionally refused to follow his 2014 off season workout and diet plan.

Lacy INTENTIONALLY got fat and sabotaged his ability to run well for 16 games. So just because he runs like an animal working his arse off, do we say, "it's okay Eddie, get to 400lbs if you want?.

Rodgers is INTENTIONALLY SABOTAGING his ability to play QB.

And about his play in Chicago, better, but nothing that Cutler hasn't done. Until Rodgers plays consistently well, even for an entire game, then it's just: Same ole' Jay.

Got it?
DoddPower
8 years ago
Other than missing a few throws, didn't Aaron Rodgers play almost exactly like many here want him to and complain about all the time? Quick timing route passes, getting the ball out of his hands in rhythm. Isn't that what some of you wanted?
sschind
8 years ago

Other than missing a few throws, didn't Aaron Rodgers play almost exactly like many here want him to and complain about all the time? Quick timing route passes, getting the ball out of his hands in rhythm. Isn't that what some of you wanted?

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I think if Rodgers played every game like he did against the Bears everyone would be happy. Especially the second half. I'm not real happy about needing 59 pass attempts but I certainly can't argue with the results and I completely understand given the RB situation.

You hit it on the head though Dodd. Its exactly what most have been calling for and it worked I'm not saying that 1 half of football against the Bears is proof that its the best way to go but it certainly seems to lend a quite a bit of support

nerdmann
8 years ago

I think if Rodgers played every game like he did against the Bears everyone would be happy. Especially the second half. I'm not real happy about needing 59 pass attempts but I certainly can't argue with the results and I completely understand given the RB situation.

You hit it on the head though Dodd. Its exactly what most have been calling for and it worked I'm not saying that 1 half of football against the Bears is proof that its the best way to go but it certainly seems to lend a quite a bit of support

Originally Posted by: sschind 



He was definitely better.

I wouldnt say he's all the way back.
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