beast
8 years ago

I honestly wonder if the NFL sometimes tells teams they were right, just to get them to shut up and more on. OR they answer it in broken down some how... like the PI should not of been called for the leg entanglement because they were both playing the ball (and not mention the hand/grab/hold which is why it was called).

When I first saw the 66 yard pass interference call, I thought it was clearly a bad call because they both seemed to be playing the ball and did not look like the CB did anything on purpose that would make the Davis fall... but on the replay, you can see the CB holding onto Davis arm not letting him get away... which I think it against some hold... weather it's holding or PI, I'm not sure.

But isn't holding PI when the ball is in the air, or something like that.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
Personally, I would like to see that play and all plays like it not flagged. There are far to many occasions where the only reason to throw a pass like it is because of the odds of a PI. That being, the way the rules are written and enforced today, it was a PI. Legs getting tangled is only NOT PI when that is the only contact. With the replay from the official who called the penalty, that would get called 10 out of 10 times. You can say the grab didn't do much, but it easily could have been enough to disrupt his balance to contribute to the fall and legs tangling. The official just happened to have a perfect angle to see all the contact.

I hope they never put PI up for review, only that the go back and let more hand play. Or start calling offensive PI as strict as they do defensive.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
beast
8 years ago

Personally, I would like to see that play and all plays like it not flagged. There are far to many occasions where the only reason to throw a pass like it is because of the odds of a PI. That being, the way the rules are written and enforced today, it was a PI. Legs getting tangled is only NOT PI when that is the only contact. With the replay from the official who called the penalty, that would get called 10 out of 10 times. You can say the grab didn't do much, but it easily could have been enough to disrupt his balance to contribute to the fall and legs tangling. The official just happened to have a perfect angle to see all the contact.

I hope they never put PI up for review, only that the go back and let more hand play. Or start calling offensive PI as strict as they do defensive.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I mostly agree with you, I want to see the PI rules adjusted... though I think getting it correct would probably be extremely hard to do...

I forget which game it was (Lions or Jags) but TE Jared Cook beat his man deep and Rodgers threw it to him... and the defender ended up running into Cook as the ball went by... on replay (maybe slowed down replay) it looked like Cook purposely went for the PI call more than trying to grab the ball. And getting a PI call is just as good as a guy making a catch (heck it's better when you're short of the first/down line, because it's auto 1st down... and better when you're out of time... as the game can't end on a defensive penalty).

OPI is what 5 or 10 yards? While DPI is unlimited isn't quite right. Maybe it needs to be half the yard or something. Or some rule that if the ball isn't nearby (which will lead people to be upset by refs call) then you only get 5 or 10 yards or something).

But at times it does seem offensive players/teams are trying to get DPI at times instead of trying to make plays on the ball... or it's just as good. But it's hard to judge "acting" at times.
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Porforis
8 years ago

OPI is what 5 or 10 yards? While DPI is unlimited isn't quite right. Maybe it needs to be half the yard or something. Or some rule that if the ball isn't nearby (which will lead people to be upset by refs call) then you only get 5 or 10 yards or something).

Originally Posted by: beast 



http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/passinterference 

Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:
...
(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.

beast
8 years ago

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/passinterference

Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:
...
(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 




The key word there is "clearly"... as the ref seem to give it to the offensive player even if the ball looks far out of reach of the offensive player... and even then they just call it something else like downfield holding, which at times has zero effect on the play but gets called. The rules are over adjusted to the offensives.

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Porforis
8 years ago

Originally Posted by: beast 



The key word there is "clearly"... as the ref seem to give it to the offensive player even if the ball looks far out of reach of the offensive player... and even then they just call it something else like downfield holding, which at times has zero effect on the play but gets called. The rules are over adjusted to the offensives.



I agree with you here, but the fact of the matter is that it's a judgement call one way or another. You can change the penalty to be less severe but if the calls are still over-called then are things really any better? If you go too far in the other direction then why wouldn't a defender not in position to stop a perfectly thrown ball not just tackle the receiver? If it's a spot foul, he's not going to do that because it's an auto-completion anyways. If it's only half the yardage or not an auto-first down on a third and really long, why wouldn't he?

The Jacksonville game was a good example of them letting receivers and defenders play unless something flagrant happened. I'm a big fan of that. I just think that by changing the penalties you're not fixing the underlying issue and teams will just scheme around the rules in a way that will still result in a lot of flags.
Cheesey
8 years ago
Fact is, there are PLENTY of calls made that should not have been made, and just as many penalties missed and not called by the refs.
It happens in EVERY game.
So to moan about it does nothing. It's not like they are going to go back and replay the game to "fix" it.
The Packers have been screwed by calls just as many times.
Look at the end of the playoff overtime game against the Cardinals a few years ago. Aaron Rodgers is PULLED DOWN BY HIS FACEMASK, causing him to fumble and NO REF MADE THE CALL.
They handed the game to the Cardinals. And it was a dang PLAYOFF GAME.
Did the NFL go back and "fix" that screw up? Nope.
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Porforis
8 years ago

Look at the end of the playoff overtime game against the Cardinals a few years ago. Aaron Rodgers is PULLED DOWN BY HIS FACEMASK, causing him to fumble and NO REF MADE THE CALL.
They handed the game to the Cardinals. And it was a dang PLAYOFF GAME.
Did the NFL go back and "fix" that screw up? Nope.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Every time someone reminds me of that they hereby owe me $10 per incident. I was traumatized by that for months.
Cheesey
8 years ago

Every time someone reminds me of that they hereby owe me $10 per incident. I was traumatized by that for months.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Well....every time someone says I owe them $10 for bringing it up, they owe me $20.
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