PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
We are seeing it now. QBs like Brady, Peyton, Favre, you stick in any WR and barely notice a difference. But we are seeing the difference with this team today and the last couple years. When the offense had Jennings, Drivers, Nelson, Jones. They could do almost no wrong. McCarthy could call almost any play and one of the 4 would get open and Rodgers would be able to find them.

Each time we lost one of them, the team was still able to get the job done, but if you look back you can see each year was getting noticeably more difficult to do so. It worked out great getting Jennings, Nelson and Jones all so close to each other and I think the organization gave to much credit to Mike and Aaron and not enough to those catching the ball.

Mike always says, he doesn't scheme guys open, it is about finding and exploiting the matchup, well that is easier when you depth is that much better than the opponent's defensive depth. It is time he learns or relearns how to scheme.
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DoddPower
8 years ago

We are seeing it now. QBs like Brady, Peyton, Favre, you stick in any WR and barely notice a difference. But we are seeing the difference with this team today and the last couple years. When the offense had Jennings, Drivers, Nelson, Jones. They could do almost no wrong. McCarthy could call almost any play and one of the 4 would get open and Rodgers would be able to find them.

Each time we lost one of them, the team was still able to get the job done, but if you look back you can see each year was getting noticeably more difficult to do so. It worked out great getting Jennings, Nelson and Jones all so close to each other and I think the organization gave to much credit to Mike and Aaron and not enough to those catching the ball.

Mike always says, he doesn't scheme guys open, it is about finding and exploiting the matchup, well that is easier when you depth is that much better than the opponent's defensive depth. It is time he learns or relearns how to scheme.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Eh, they all make each other. The QB still has to execute. I'm certain Aaron Rodgers would still be highly successful under Bill Bellichick and at least a few other teams regardless of his receivers. It's about coaching, receiving talent, offensive line talent, and QB play. To some extent though, I'd argue coaching is as important as any as long as there is reasonable talent available, which the Packers clearly have.
luigis
8 years ago
The WRs are playing bad. But for some quixotic reason MM sticks to vanilla formations, Abby, Davis and Montgomery are not playing and I think we need him. We need 4 or 5 WR formations and we need to get Montgomery back into our offense. We went to Minnesota with 7WRs and only 3 of them played.

I'm convinced MM has lost this team and we are only losing time, we'll be elite again with a new head coach.


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nerdmann
8 years ago

The WRs are playing bad. But for some quixotic reason Mike McCarthy sticks to vanilla formations, Abby, Davis and Montgomery are not playing and I think we need him. We need 4 or 5 WR formations and we need to get Montgomery back into our offense. We went to Minnesota with 7WRs and only 3 of them played.

I'm convinced Mike McCarthy has lost this team and we are only losing time, we'll be elite again with a new head coach.

Originally Posted by: luigis 



There were plenty of guys open last night. Aaron just prefers to go deep.
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DoddPower
8 years ago

There were plenty of guys open last night. Aaron just prefers to go deep.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Beyond a few plays which is always going to be the case, I call BS. If Rodgers is CONTINUALLY missing open WRs as some claim, then I still blame McCarthy for not addressing the issue. If Rodgers is playing so horrible and missing wide receivers, then McCarthy needs to fix it by whatever means necessary. If he is allowing it to happen continually but not changing anything, I blame him as much or more than anyone.
8 years ago

Beyond a few plays which is always going to be the case, I call BS. If Rodgers is CONTINUALLY missing open WRs as some claim, then I still blame McCarthy for not addressing the issue. If Rodgers is playing so horrible and missing wide receivers, then McCarthy needs to fix it by whatever means necessary. If he is allowing it to happen continually but not changing anything, I blame him as much or more than anyone.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I agree. It is something else.

There are so many things that are non-existent in this offense nowadays. The middle of the field, YAC, our receivers used to be able to find the hole in the defense and just sit in it.
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DoddPower
8 years ago

I agree. It is something else.

There are so many things that are non-existent in this offense nowadays. The middle of the field, YAC, our receivers used to be able to find the hole in the defense and just sit in it.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



Don't get me wrong, Aaron Rodgers is part of the problem. But I'm taking a higher level forest-type approach to the problem. If something is wrong with one of the best players in the NFL, it's up to the coaches to fix it, and I'm of the opinion that it can be fixed. If it can't be fixed, trade him and move forward. No reason to waste time. But I'd rather see McCarthy and other coaches go before Aaron Rodgers, at this point.
steveishere
8 years ago
Except when our current wr are wide open Rodgers is still missing them.
DoddPower
8 years ago

Except when our current wr are wide open Rodgers is still missing them.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



A QB is always going to miss a few open WRs. I'm not denying it's happening, because it is. But it's not happening every play. He's missing a few open receivers a game, and we don't know the details of his progressions etc. to effectively analyze the context. Besides, that's what happens when a player and a team are playing like shit. If Aaron Rodgers was truly playing that badly and missing wide open WRs CONSTANTLY, then Mike McCarthy should fix it or bench Rodgers. Otherwise, he's not addressing the issue and that's his responsibility as a head coach.
steveishere
8 years ago

A QB is always going to miss a few open WRs. I'm not denying it's happening, because it is. But it's not happening every play. He's missing a few open receivers a game, and we don't know the details of his progressions etc. to effectively analyze the context. Besides, that's what happens when a player and a team are playing like shit. If Aaron Rodgers was truly playing that badly and missing wide open WRs CONSTANTLY, then Mike McCarthy should fix it or bench Rodgers. Otherwise, he's not addressing the issue and that's his responsibility as a head coach.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Mike can't even motivate Rodgers to set his feet or throw in rhythm more than 5 times a game. He has no fix for this offense. Rodgers wants to play backyard scramble drill offense no matter how shit it is and nobody can tell him otherwise. That jumping in the air to throw shit is something I expect to see out of freakin Tebow or Matt Stafford back when he was a mechanics dumpster fire not Aaron Rodgers
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