steveishere
8 years ago
I'm guessing McCarthy just wants them to be able to run the ball better. He's not going to be pounding the rock if the running game sucks. It's nice to have a good enough running game to fall back on if you need it. Rodgers and the passing game (and pretty much every passing game in the league) goes into little slumps sometimes and being able to turn to the run in those situations will only make the team better.
Smokey
8 years ago

Broncos and Pats had running games? Broncos running game was not good last year. Hillman and Anderson weren't much. Seattle had the star in Lynch. I will go to my grave arguing D doesn't win championships. Carolina had a fine defense. It didn't win for them when all it had to do is shut down a poor running game and noodle armed Manning.

We won our last SB with James Freaking Starks at RB and a D that was not world beating especially by the time the 2nd half rolled around. We won that game because of Aaron Rodgers. Your TEAM better be strong... if one part is weak then the other better be very strong to make up for it. It's a yin yang thing. Our O has not been great enough to carry us to win it all. We had that aberration after Philbin's son died. Bad matchup. We should've won it that year and gone back to back. Our D was TERRIBLE that year. Historically terrible vs. the pass and yet we blazed to 15-1 and should've won it all. Same with Minnesota the year they went 15-1...they lost in some of the most bizarre circumstances but they had the O while having a not very good defense to pair with it. D doesn't win championships. Teams win them.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You are free to believe as you wish, even when your wrong .

1st , Denver's Defense last season was the reason they won the SB and that is generally considered a FACT . Their Offense may not have been league leading , but they were good enough .

2nd , GB won their last SB with a Defense that lost Saftey-Woodson for the entire second half, yet found the heart to excel in the remainder of the game. Aaron Rodgers and the Offense played a better game of football that day to beat a very good Pittsburgh team .

3rd, Teams rarely survive through the playoffs and make it to the big game without an above average Defense . The very best like the "85 Bears" even rate appreciation from their Division rivals . If one looks back in time, great defenses have earned names like, The Steel Curtain and The Doomsday Defense and The Fearsome Foursome . Real Packer fans will never forget Ray Nitschke, Willie Davis, Randy White, or Dave Robinson and the great Defenses they lead to immortality .
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gbguy20
8 years ago
Woodson was not a safety back then...
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uffda udfa
8 years ago
I'm wrong a lot but not about this...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2016/01/04/defense-doesnt-win-championships-in-the-nfl-anymore/ 

http://freakonomics.com/2012/02/03/football-freakonomics-tackling-the-old-defense-wins-championship-cliche/ 

Plus, as I said before, back in the mid 90's when I was in broadcasting, I spoke to Allen Barra who penned an article debunking the cliche, defense wins championships. It is simply not true. I know it's a cute cliche and so on but it's simply not true.
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DarkaneRules
8 years ago
I don't like that saying either because in football all 3 phases of the game matter. Now if you have one of the best defenses in NFL history, that tilts things slightly but the other phases are still important.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
The saying has been proven to be true not only over time, but by the Packers recently. It has never simply meant that the best defense will win all the time. The idea behind it is that during the regular season, a team with a good offense and a mediocre defense can win enough games to get into the play offs because they are facing enough teams with lesser offenses. Once in the playoffs, they all pretty much have good offenses. And historically when two good offenses face each other, the team that plays better defense wins.
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mi_keys
8 years ago
The idea behind it is that during the regular season, a team with a good defense and a mediocre offense can win enough games to get into the play offs because they are facing enough teams with lesser defenses. Once in the playoffs, they all pretty much have good defenses. And historically when two good defenses face each other, the team that plays better offense wins.



It goes both ways.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

The idea behind it is that during the regular season, a team with a good defense and a mediocre offense can win enough games to get into the play offs because they are facing enough teams with lesser defenses. Once in the playoffs, they all pretty much have good defenses. And historically when two good defenses face each other, the team that plays better offense wins.



It goes both ways.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Actually no it doesn't according to historical statistics.
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mi_keys
8 years ago

Actually no it doesn't according to historical statistics.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Citation?
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Smokey
8 years ago

The saying has been proven to be true not only over time, but by the Packers recently. It has never simply meant that the best defense will win all the time. The idea behind it is that during the regular season, a team with a good offense and a mediocre defense can win enough games to get into the play offs because they are facing enough teams with lesser offenses. Once in the playoffs, they all pretty much have good offenses. And historically when two good offenses face each other, the team that plays better defense wins.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Most eloquently stated , and more a fact than an opinion . [thumbup]

I don't like that saying either because in football all 3 phases of the game matter. Now if you have one of the best defenses in NFL history, that tilts things slightly but the other phases are still important.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



Yes, their are 3 phases in football , but let's not forget that Special Teams are also an important part of the teams Defense . 🤦


Baring unwelcome and unwanted negative occurrences , the 2016 Packers may be a team of destiny , provided the Defense evolves to elite status by playoff time . In addition , the WR's will NEED to play much better this season than last season . The running attack, at this point in time , appears to be the teams bright spot. I hope that both the Passing Attack and the Running Attack will shine equally and give opposing teams Nightmares.
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packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
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