Mike McCarthy’s record only goes so far· Page 3

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

He's my favorite Packer RB and in my top 5 for sure, maybe top 2 favorite Packer players. He and James Jones were the only ex Packers I followed when they left. I'm so glad both came back. Packers fans value loyalty so I think because he wasn't drafted by us and the fact that he did leave knocks him down a few pegs in many fan's eyes

Originally Posted by: sschind

Ahman Green didn't "leave."

Ted didn't bring him back. Ted knew that his quad wasn't getting any younger, and neither was Green himself. Ted let him go at the right time too, because the next year the quad finally gave out.

Dude was getting old anyway, glad they brought him back at the end and got him the all time Packers record though.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

beast
Select Member

8 years ago

#22

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I'm not sure, but I want to say at least rumor had it that both the Packers and the Texans had contract offers on the table for Green to sign... just that the Packers offer wasn't in the same ball park as the 4 year, 23 million (5.75 million per year) the Texans offered him as Mike Sherman probably talked the Texans into offering a good bit for him.

Green got two years and 11.4 million out of the deal, as well as questioned if he was pretending to be hurt from Texans GM Rich Smith, which from the sounds of it... just blew Green's mind (and maybe pissed him off) on how could they think he was pretending to be hurt... when instead he could be on the football field.

Which always brings me to another thought... why haven't the Texans ever moved on from Rich Smith after a decade? Looking at his decade of drafts, I only really feel 4 things are worth positive notes

DL J.J. Watt (possibly the best defensive player in all of the NFL)

WR DeAndre Hopkins (whom some have called the best WR (or best deep threat) in the NFL but has lacked the QB talent / offensive talent to prove it

2009 draft with ILB Brian Cushing, OLB Connor Barwin, S Glover Quin and TE/ST James Casey

MAYBE... MAYBE the 2016 draft class... where they needed offensive help (because of their lack of success in drafting and developing their own), and they went out and got a QB in FA, and drafted two of the WRs with the highest ceilings (but also lowest floors), a very good Center who might be a starter from day one and for the next decade, as well as one of the flashest RBs (who's kind of like a WR in the backfield, with great movement but lacks physical play), but all of this could in theory help their passing game... if they can get it all on the same page. Of course, it's been said, paying the FA QB move HUGE $$$$ was a clear sign of the owners doing and may or may not had the head coach approval (but assuming they also had approval from the head coach).

sschind
Senior Member

8 years ago

#23

Why would Packer fan have an issue with Green? He was a heck of a player.

He is #1 in yards
#1 in carries
#2 in rushing Tds
With a min of 100 carries he's #4 for rushing average

As a receiving RB he is #1 in yards
#1 in receptions
#2 in receiving Tds

And that for the most part was in only 6 seasons.

He is a member of the Packers Hall of Fame.

He should be in anyone's top 10 list of favorite players. And there are certainly a lot of players to choose from.

Originally Posted by: wpr

A lot of people didn't have a problem with Favre until he left either.

I'm just saying that a lot of Packer fans place more stock in home grown talent. Green was not drafted by the Packers and he left to play elsewhere. I recall some people being upset when he came back and when he broke Jim Taylor's record so not everyone thinks as highly of him as you think they should. I have no idea why that would matter but I have no doubts that it does to some.

sschind
Senior Member

8 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Tomato tomato. He played here then he played somewhere else. I don't know how he could play somewhere else if he didn't leave here. My point was that he played somewhere else and a lot of Packers fans hold it against players when they leave or they are not brought back or whatever you want to call it. Again I don't know why but they do.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

8 years ago

#25

We go from McCarthy's record to Ahman Green? lol Ahman Green was allowed to test free agency to set his price, something the Packers have done frequently with players closing in on 30 under Ted Thompson. Ahman was offered a really (overpriced) contract and took it. I don't believe any of us faulted him for it at the time, nor should we now. Maybe no one really batted an eye too much because Ryan Grant ripped off three good seasons after Ahman's departure?

Either way, Ahman was appreciated and adored, but when you have Brett Favre and then Aaron Rodgers, it's easy to have a running back not get much attention. If Eddie Lacy didn't have this weight thing going on, we wouldn't be hearing about him either.

Rockmolder
Honored Member

8 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: sschind

A lot of people would've had problems with Green if he had retired, unretired, then expected to be the starter, got traded out of the conference and then forced himself onto the roster of our biggest rivals, nearly taking them to a Super Bowl.

I rooted a bit for the Jets that year and I think a lot of people did.

Anyway, back to Ahman, I don't think it's as much that the Packers love homegrown players that much as it is that those elite guys are the type of guys that don't change teams often. Guys like Reggie White and Julius Peppers have been immensely popular. I also don't think there's anyone who thinks less of Jim Taylor because he finished his career with the Saints.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

8 years ago

#27

I would LOVE to see what Rodgers could do if he was allowed to call his own plays, like Bart Starr used to do.
I mean, why not do it and see what would happen? Maybe he would do great if given the shot.

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

8 years ago

#28

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Pretty much what we did last year, imo

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

DoddPower
Veteran Member

8 years ago

#29

Pretty much what we did last year, imo

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

That's obvious. Because things were sooo much different after McCarthy took over the play calling duties. 🤬

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