nerdmann
8 years ago

I totally agree with your post, but do you think we draft a TE now based on what we currently have on the roster? If we draft a TE do we cut Perillo or Backman? Don't know if we can PS either or both of them.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



If Henry falls to us in the 2nd, Ted takes him.

It's not whether or not we take one, it's whether the value is there.
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beast
8 years ago

I totally agree with your post, but do you think we draft a TE now based on what we currently have on the roster? If we draft a TE do we cut Perillo or Backman? Don't know if we can PS either or both of them.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



If Henry falls to us in the 2nd, Ted takes him.

It's not whether or not we take one, it's whether the value is there.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The Packers have kept four TEs before, and could do it again... especially if their is only one FB.

As for who gets cut, I'd look to last year, they kept Backman for his his raw potential over Perillo and probably would do it again especially if their are better TEs above, as Backman would probably win the ST battles now that he figured it out last year. Henry might be an interesting mix to also throw in there.
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DoddPower
8 years ago

I totally agree with your post, but do you think we draft a TE now based on what we currently have on the roster? If we draft a TE do we cut Perillo or Backman? Don't know if we can PS either or both of them.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



I doubt Cook is the long-term answer at TE (although, he could be, at least for a few years), so they will have to keep searching. But at least Cook provides a band aid which gives the Packers longer to figure it out. Sometimes, kicking the can down the road is about as much as a team can ask for. All needs can't be addressed in one off season.
Dulak
8 years ago

I heard Ted Thompson wanted to sign Cook to a two year deal, but Cook wanted a one year deal and a chance at a more lucrative contract next year. I also read that he wanted to go to the best possible team with the best possible QB. Apparently there was interest from at least three other teams. I love these low risk moves. It probably doesn't "solve" the tight end position for the long run, but it's a nice band aid until something else can be figured out, hopefully through the draft. I think that's how free agency should work, especially when it doesn't cost compensatory draft picks. Use free agency as a band aid on obviously weak positions and then draft the best players available in the draft and develop them. That's the winning formula, imo.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Sounds like a good move on his part - Great QB and just ok TE roster.

Zero2Cool
8 years ago
I've read a few places saying Jared Cook has the dropsies, yet he had 4 last season and had just a ~5% drop percent. Much like I wrote weeks/months back about the need for a good tight end. The simple THREAT of Jared Cook will open the field for the receivers, just like Jermichael Finley did.

I like to think this is a good signing, but since the league seems to have figured out our offense, it won't make any difference. If the playcalling isn't switched up and some new wrinkles put in, we're looking at third place.

Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 



When you have an offensive line that's filled with JAG's and only serviceable when fully healthy and missing your only deep threat while your 2nd best receiving threat has a bum shoulder and you have another receiver trying to tough out a wicked hamstring pull ... yeah your offense is going to be "figured" out and that doesn't even mention things like your out of conditioned running back or slower than rolling rock tight end, lol.


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musccy
8 years ago

I doubt Cook is the long-term answer at TE (although, he could be, at least for a few years), so they will have to keep searching. But at least Cook provides a band aid which gives the Packers longer to figure it out. Sometimes, kicking the can down the road is about as much as a team can ask for. All needs can't be addressed in one off season.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Not sure if Paul Imig knows his butt from a hole in the ground, but yesterday he claims this will be part of a 3-4 year project for Cook in GB. Who knows.

That said, this contract, and the reports of denying a 2nd year make it pretty clear he's in this for big money in 2017.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

I've read a few places saying Jared Cook has the dropsies, yet he had 4 last season and had just a ~5% drop percent. Much like I wrote weeks/months back about the need for a good tight end. The simple THREAT of Jared Cook will open the field for the receivers, just like Jermichael Finley did.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



All depends on how the plays are called and setup. The problem last year as not that nobody could get deep. The problem was we didn't put pressure on the middle of the field for at least 10-15 yards most of the time, which allows LBers to settle deeper, allowing safties to cheat their coverages more. If we don't put pressure short to keep the lbers shallow, defenses will continue to crowd the deeper zones.
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Barfarn
8 years ago

I've read a few places saying Jared Cook has the dropsies, yet he had 4 last season and had just a ~5% drop percent. Much like I wrote weeks/months back about the need for a good tight end. The simple THREAT of Jared Cook will open the field for the receivers, just like Jermichael Finley did.



When you have an offensive line that's filled with JAG's and only serviceable when fully healthy and missing your only deep threat while your 2nd best receiving threat has a bum shoulder and you have another receiver trying to tough out a wicked hamstring pull ... yeah your offense is going to be "figured" out and that doesn't even mention things like your out of conditioned running back or slower than rolling rock tight end, lol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Over last 4 years Cook has had 332 targets 186 catches and 19 drops. The drop rate is 5.7, not great, but not horrible. But, the perception is different. The drop rate is calculated from targets and Cook's catch rate has only been 56%. Perception largely ignores the incomplete passes thrown in Cooks direction. What people remember are passes that Cook caught and the ones that hit his hands and fell to the ground, the reality is that he drops 1 of every 10 passes he could catch. Richard J Daley, mayor of Chicago 1955-76, said, never make a decision, because with every decision you make some people mad and some happy...The only problem is that people stay mad longer than they stay happy. Likewise, fans stay mad longer at drops than they stay happy with catches. This is why Cook's perception of stone hands prevails. If with Aaron Rodgers he can bump that catch rate to 65-70%, then his 5% drop rate will annoy, but wont convince that Cook lost some fingers in a fireworks accident.


Athletic/pass catching TEs don’t do an offense any good unless they are COMPLETE. Take your Grahams, Ameros and Finleys and get those losers off the team…They don't open anything up to a degree to cover their other deficiencies, they do not help an offense overall. If they did, the offense would suffer when they are out.

Exhibit A-Finley

In 2009 Finley played in 12 games: the O averaged 392 Y/G; but, averaged 405 with Finley out.

In 2010 Finley played in 5 games: the O averaged 342 Y/G; but averaged 365 with Finley out even though Aaron Rodgers missed 1.75 of those 11 games.

In 2013 Finley played in 6 games the O averaged 434 Y/G [w/ Aaron Rodgers at QB]. GB averaged 380 without Finley for the other 10; though Wallace, Tolzien and Flynn QB’d 8 of those games. The two that Aaron Rodgers did QB w/o Finley GB had 468.5 Y/G.

And remember, when Finley went down he was not replaced with a decent TE like Rodgers; he was replaced by guys that were a lily pad above pond scum. Yet, the offense improved. Finley was not valuable.
Zero2Cool
8 years ago

Exhibit A-Finley

In 2009 Finley played in 12 games: the O averaged 392 Y/G; but, averaged 405 with Finley out.

In 2010 Finley played in 5 games: the O averaged 342 Y/G; but averaged 365 with Finley out even though Aaron Rodgers missed 1.75 of those 11 games.

In 2013 Finley played in 6 games the O averaged 434 Y/G [w/ Aaron Rodgers at QB]. GB averaged 380 without Finley for the other 10; though Wallace, Tolzien and Flynn QB’d 8 of those games. The two that Aaron Rodgers did QB w/o Finley GB had 468.5 Y/G.

And remember, when Finley went down he was not replaced with a decent TE like Rodgers; he was replaced by guys that were a lily pad above pond scum. Yet, the offense improved. Finley was not valuable.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Here's my math, maybe it's wrong?
460 + 351 + 404 + 283 = 1,498 / 4 = 374.5
226 + 311 + 402 + 424 + 435 + 484 + 422 + 350 + 315 + 436 + 417 + 345 = 4,567 / 12 = 380.583

374.5 without Finley and 380.583 with Finley is awfully close so let's look at POINTS.

2009 regular season without Finley: Packers played Browns, Vikings, Buccaneers and Cowboys going 2 - 2 and averaged 25.5 points.
2009 regular season with Finley: Packers played Bears, Bengals, Rams, Vikings, Lions, 49ers, Lions, Ravens, Bears, Steelers, Seahawks and Cardinals the Packers 29.92 points per game. A larger sample and yet more than FOUR points more per game WITH Finley.

2009: 4 games without Finley 25.5 points a game
2009: 12 games with Finley 29.92 points a game and that doesn't even include the 45 points scored in Wild Card loss vs Cardinals

2010: 5 games with Finley 23.8 points per game
2010: 11 games without Finley 24.45 points per game



I'm done wasting my time here. You either pulling numbers out of your ass or you have some crappy sources for your data, lol.



Let’s be honest, the middle of the field is open now. League rules. Big people running down the middle of the field, I’ll make no secret about it. I think that’s a key to offensive success, whether that’s a big receiver or big tight end or a big man running down the middle of the field, making those safeties cover you. It’s an important part of playing in today’s NFL.

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Porforis
8 years ago

I've read a few places saying Jared Cook has the dropsies, yet he had 4 last season and had just a ~5% drop percent. Much like I wrote weeks/months back about the need for a good tight end. The simple THREAT of Jared Cook will open the field for the receivers, just like Jermichael Finley did.



When you have an offensive line that's filled with JAG's and only serviceable when fully healthy and missing your only deep threat while your 2nd best receiving threat has a bum shoulder and you have another receiver trying to tough out a wicked hamstring pull ... yeah your offense is going to be "figured" out and that doesn't even mention things like your out of conditioned running back or slower than rolling rock tight end, lol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I agree with you that the packers got blown up by injuries, but when I think of effective coaching and playcalling when shit has hit the fan, I think of Dom Capers and all the crazy shit he's done to plug holes and cover weaknesses due to injuries and inexperience. If you can't move the ball, sometimes you need to be a bit creative. And, you know, stop running those dumb outside runs that NEVER EVER WORK BECAUSE WE'RE SLOWER THAN THE DEFENSE.
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
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