PackerTraxx
8 years ago
I would be happy with trading up for Ragland as I believe he would have a immediate impact on our D, a position of need. TE Henry at our current pick I also like. If his Combine backs up what we've seen on the field he would be a very good value and also have an immediate impact. Third choice would be an LT that fell and was too good to pass up.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
8 years ago
Please not a TE in the first round.

Keep building this damn defense!!!!!
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sschind
8 years ago

Please not a TE in the first round.

Keep building this damn defense!!!!!

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



That's my gut feeling as well. I think the 2015 offense was an anomaly and they will rebound just fine into a top unit once again. The defense has come on and I think continuing to improving that will do more to building a complete team.
Of course it all depends on the player. If a guy like Ragland falls to within a reasonable spot (Low 20's) I wouldn't be opposed to moving up o get him. My thing is I can only go off what other people say so I am not going to advocate any player over any other. One guys opinion that there are no TE's worthy of a first round grade means no more to me than the next guys opinion that we should grab Henry if he is available.

I don't think Ted will draft a slouch. His pick may not work out but I do believe that whomever he picks it will be the guy that he thinks is the best player and value and for me that has to be good enough for me since I can't form my own opinion as I know none of these guys from watching them play.

That's why I try to look at as many mocks as possible. Not that I think one experts opinion is worth more than another but if I see one guy having us take a player that several others do or even better a player that several others have going before us at least I know that the guy probably isn't a reach.
Rockmolder
8 years ago

SF's Harbaalke went nuts drafting guys that fell due to injury and it was part of the reason for their collapse. I believe the key to winning is production by first contract studs. About 100% of rookie production is lost if an injured player redshirts or misses camp and half a season of practice. Even worse rookie production isnt realized until 2nd year; 2nd year production isnt realized until 3rd year, etc. And then a decision on the player's longterm value must be made after seeing 3rd years of production instead of 4.

And sometimes it takes 2 years for a players' confidence in the injured body part to return and sometimes not all the athleticism returns. And some guys never get over an injury [See Derrick Sherrod, Justin Harrell].

Imagine if we lost the CHEAP production of Shields' or Daniels' 4th year because they redshirted as rookies; and 3rd and 4th years if recovery took 2 years. And then try to imagine trying to have a meeting of the minds w/ their agents as to their long term value at the end of their 3rd year or 2nd year [if recovery took 2 years]. All it would take is one of 31 GMs to have an exaggerated sense of their potential and we'd lose them. Oh BTW, some teams MUST sign FA's to meet the minimum spending requirements.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



I understand what you're saying, but where do you draw that line?

Jaylon Smith is such a good player that, if he doesn't get injured, he goes top 12 in this draft. A guy like Shazier went 15th and he isn't as complete a player as Smith is. There's no way he gets past the Bears AND Saints. If a guy like that falls to 27, do you pass over him because he doesn't produce for you in the first ten games of the season?

I've seen him being compared to Derrick Johnson a lot and I feel like it's a very fair comparison. You don't get a complete guy like that very often. Especially not if you're continually winning and picking at the end of the draft.

Do you let all of that slip and draft a guy like Ragland, who very much looks like a 2 down linebacker, because of the potential that his injury lingers on and you only get three years out of him, rather than four? Then, if you're still on the fence, you can add that fifth year for a first rounder. It's not cheap, but it's not ridiculous either. And if he's going to be close to as good as he can be, you resign him after that, as well.

I understand that production on rookie contracts is important. With so much of your money tied up in a QB contract and some other anchors on your offense and defense, you can't go around and sign everyone. I love what a guy like Casey Hayward has done for us on his rookie deal. You do, though, have to keep looking for the best players and build the best team. If you can pick someone up who can eventually be one of those anchors, it'd be crazy to let them slip out of reach over unlikely potential contract problems down the road.

Obviously you do not fill your roster with guys like this. That's where Harbaalke went wrong. Nothing wrong with taking a shot on someone this talented once in a while if he does make it to our pick, though.
millertime
8 years ago
Does Henry remind anyone else of Travis Kelce? I was just watching some highlights and they seems similar (although white guys always get compared to white guys for some reason).

Is Ragland athletic enough to play third down? He will likely be paired with either Barrington or Ryan who are not really fluid in pass coverage. I also expect Joe Thomas to improve. He seems like the only potential 3 down ILB on our squad right now though he needs to bulk up a bit.
Rockmolder
8 years ago

Does Henry remind anyone else of Travis Kelce? I was just watching some highlights and they seems similar (although white guys always get compared to white guys for some reason).

Is Ragland athletic enough to play third down? He will likely be paired with either Barrington or Ryan who are not really fluid in pass coverage. I also expect Joe Thomas to improve. He seems like the only potential 3 down ILB on our squad right now though he needs to bulk up a bit.

Originally Posted by: millertime 



I very much doubt it. Maybe if you get him involved by going after the passer, which he's quite decent at, or in some zone schemes, but a lot of TEs will destroy him one on one.

On the other side there's Darron Lee, a guy who is the exact opposite. Misses tackles, doesn't have an old school LB frame, but has speed and roaming ability.

I guess that, if you have any intentions of pairing our new pick up with Ryan or Barrington, like you said, Lee might be the better pick. He draws some comparisons to Shazier, as well, who we reportedly set to take if he fell to us in the 2014 draft.
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