Look to the AFC to see why the Packers have failed as an organization· Page 3

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

9 years ago

[quote=uffda udfa;346698]Have you ever looked at the definition of objective? (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. "historians try to be objective and impartial" synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral Look at the definition and the synonyms and type with a straight face that a positive fan can possibly be objective? I told you what my aim is when looking at this team. I am much more in line than a positive fan when it comes to objectivity. Why does that truth upset you so? Because I tell you the truth you don't want to hear? That's all too familiar territory. Bob McGinn can relate also.[/quote] You are not objective no matter how many times you claim to be. Quit using the word truth, you clearly have no idea what it means. And once again, just because a person is positive does not mean they cannot also be objective. thinking so is idiotic at best.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#22

I guess you didn't read the definition. POSITIVE AND FAN ...POSITIVE FAN...is the antithesis of objectivity. I don't care what you think about my objectivity. I'm more concerned about you understanding word definitions.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Porforis
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#23

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I've gone WAY out of my way to issue disclaimers about my opinions and any perceived points that you might make assumptions on, but you still drop words and opinions into my mouth. Because hey, I'm one of those biased "positive" fans, me criticizing basically every member of this organization at some point over the last 5 years be damned. I'd say your personal feelings definitely come into play when you post, do you even read your own messages? You care so little about showing those positive people what's what that you spend an hour plus a day explaining this to people? Like it or not, you have passion for this team. Yes, you're trying to be objective, and to be completely honest, I do appreciate it and your passion. That being said, fair or not, the way you go about posting creates an entirely different appearance, one that is not compatible with your claims of near-objectivity. Appearances are appearances, but on some level they reflect something deeper.

Just my twenty cents.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: Porforis

Well, Porforis...I never lumped you in with the unfair and imbalanced. Always thought you were a more contemplative objective individual than the standard fare. Perhaps, when it comes to your opinions or statements I misinterpret. When I have issue with what you say I bring it up and you correct me as I do you, or Barfarn, etc.

Perhaps, some of my "issues" with fans comes from working in media? I still will maintain a fan and objective is completely incompatible in the truest sense of each word. If a person is a fanatic and especially of the "positive" variety. It's impossible to claim objectivity. I don't see myself as a fan...I would consider myself more of a follower than a fan. I follow the Packers very closely. I wish for them to excel but I feel like fan connotes a lot of things I wouldn't want to be associated with nor should anyone really, IMO. When fans boo at Lambeau and they do do that on rare occasions it's not a bad thing. They aren't being bad people. Bad fans? Maybe. When something is bad it's okay to say it's bad IE: Davante Adams as a WR. It is not okay because you're a fan to bluster and blow about how his season wasn't really that bad. It was. A fan has a hard time with that. A follower seeking objectivity has no issue calling a spade a spade. Fan can't or won't do that. You are not suppose to see anything but positive just like when we lose year after year after year You're a fan you spin it positive no matter how negative it is. I can't do that. I find that disingenuous and wrong and a near mental disorder to completely be averse to what you see because you're a "Fan" of something. We see it in politics, sports, religion, etc. People get a cult like mentality for things they love or admire too much. I don't wish to be that close and that far gone. Some do and love love love it. It's fun for them...it's their sense of belonging. It's they're part of the club. The guy touting how he's an owner of the Packers is such an example.

I actually like you as a poster. About as fair as it gets on here. You are more even keeled than anyone else I know on here. That's a compliment. I wish EVERYONE was like you in the sense of how even keeled they are. I like the different opinions but the rah rah stuff really needs to go, IMO. We're ADULTS not kids and some adults act like kids when they discuss a game they see on TV.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#25

Favre lost that title game. We had the guys to get it done.

And Denver is gonna have some tough decisions to make. We'll see when they win their next one. I'm intrigued.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: Porforis

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uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#27

I had to smile when I read the piece at PFT where Ron Rivera defended Cam for not trying for the fumble and walking out of the press conference. That is about as objective as posts we see here and Tom Coughlin defending OBJ and his crazy behavior. Neither coach due to their lack of objectivity could tell the truth. It's such a lost art to just say what things are with no gloss. Cam was a puss and a baby and OBJ was a psycho but the coaches can't acknowledge that truth. I wish we could get away from the Rivera and Coughlin approach here when it comes to the Packers.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

DakotaT
Select Member

9 years ago

#28

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

All you need to know about objectivity by members of this Forum about Packers players can be studied in the many threads concerning the declining play of AJ Hawk.

nerdmann
Premier Member

9 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

We can always rely on Ufda for objective analysis of Jeff Janis.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Barfarn
Senior Member

9 years ago

#30

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Objectivity? Tell the truth? You just dont get it. The coaches know what occurred and deal with it in-house. When the game is over; the coach could bitch, moan and cry about his player's performance and publicly humiliate and embarrass them OR he could turn his focus on saying what will best help the team in 2016.

There's 3 kinds of coaches: (1) coaches that protect their players from a savage, a sociopathic press and keep the dirty laundry and evaluations in house; (2) soon to be ex-coaches that have their teams imploding around them; and (3) ex-coaches.

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