Barfarn
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9 years ago
AR was MVP-like the first 6 games and Adams missed all but one of them; the rest of the time Adams’ QB was some stooge that was the 30th rated QB in the league. If MVP Rodgers played the entire year Adams misses most of 5 games; but still gets 65-75 catches for 8-900 yards.

Example: Adams’ worst game was T’giving v. Bears: 11 targets, 2 catches, 14 yards, 1 drop, one target INT . But, if AR was an MVP, Adams’ stat line would have read 9 targets, 7 catches, 68 yards [At least], 1 TD, 1 Drop and no INTs. And if AR would have delivered the dropped pass on time, Adams may have had another catch for 15 yards.

Here’s the 11 targets:

1st Q; 11:39. Adams in slot does that 0-line out; slot CB hits him at Line of scrimmage; Adams breaks tackle and goes for 6 yards.

1st Q; 9:19. Adams runs a go down right sideline, the CB is 10 Yards off LOS and in bail technique; there is no separation deep and there would not with anyone else either. AR throws the ball away beyond everyone. AR should have thrown to Cobb, who was wide open and undoubtedly the 2nd read with a 2 line dig route. The Bears blitzed 5, protection was just so so, the ends were closing and a push was coming up the middle; but there easily was time to make 2nd read and probably 3rd read, which was probably Perillo on a chip and leaking into shallow left flat. Should have been no throw.

1st Q; 8:41- Adams makes an out move and runs a perfect inside seem route creating about 5 yards of separation and then drops an almost perfect pass; this was definitely a “drop.” As usual, separation is not caused by speed. Separation typically occurs because the WR is able to make a move that will cause the CB to shift his weight in the wrong direction prematurely and then sensing that weight shift makes a cut. ELITE route runners have a sense to make this move at the perfect moment so as to create the separation at the place and moment that is timed to match when QB is to make his read on that WR for that play. Adams ran an ELITE route.

Nerd made a comment in another thread about AR’s timing could cause the drops and another seemed to disagree saying AR’s bad timing does not cause the ball to go thru Adams’ hands; it is a lack of concentration. But, Nerd is right, if the throw is not when and where expected Adams now starts thinking about his secondary move; this splits his concentration, which is no excuse for the drop, but is a contributing factor. On this play, AR was late with the throw, he ran out of pocket for no apparent reason and threw a bit of a wobbler late and off his back foot. AR is probably graded as 10% at fault for this INC by the staff.

2Q :08- It was end of half. At Bears 32, I have no idea what Adams route was; but there are 2 choices: a quick out to get a touch closer or a go route hoping the CB is sitting on the out. Adams didn’t look for short pass at all and ran a total half-assed go.

3Q 7:00- Adams runs another sweet 2 line dig. He dropped hips as if to fake the dig, and just as Porter dropped his weight [getting ready for the out] Adams kept running the dig. He had 2 yards of separation. AR's throw did not lead Adams enough forcing Adams to stop; when Adams stopped Porter ran right into him for PI that was not called. The ball hit Adams in the chest and Porter’s hit was not all that violent. Though not a “drop,” Adams should have made the catch. If a good throw Adams gets a catch for 12 yards [and maybe turns up field and gets alot more]

3Q 6:46-Adams runs a WR screen sets up at about ½ yard past LOS; AR throws the ball 1 yard behind line and at Adams’ ankles. Adams dropped the ball, don’t think it was on purpose, but it should have been because his catching ball behind LOS with momentum moving backward ruined the play. That could have been a nice gain; but for the throw. If a good throw Adams gets a catch for 8 yards [one broken tackle would have been 15 more].

4Q 8:50- Adams runs an 2 line out, he is wide open a good 2-3 yards of separation and AR throws off back foot and leads Adams so much he cant even dive for the ball. If a good throw Adams has a catch for 12 yards on the play.

4Q 3:23 Rodgers [slot] and Adams [outside] crossed. This play is designed to isolate the safety 1 on 1 with Adams when CB takes Rodgers in flat and Safety has to match w/ Adams. But Bears didn’t switch, the stayed man. Adams was “picked” by the safety racing to the flat to cover Rodgers and ball went right to Porter for INT. This ball should never have been thrown, with the safety in that spot. If the safety was looking for the ball he would have been the one with the INT. Should have been no throw.

4Q 2:45 Adams again ran another beautiful Dig route; has 3-4 yards separation and this time instead of throwing the ball behind Adams he led Adams to much who had to dive to get a finger tip on the ball. A good throw gets Adams 14 yards.

4Q 1:18 3rd and 7 at Chicago 16 down by 4 [the game is on the line] Adams runs a great route again pressuring Porter up field [would have had more separation if not at Chicago 16]. Adams clears yard to gain by 3 yards allowing him to come back and make the catch with a good hit by Porter for 8 yards.

4Q :29 4th and G down by 4. Adams has his guy on right hip; if AR throws to lower to left hip it’s a TD, instead he throw it high, not far enough left. If a good throw Adams gets a catch for 8 yards and a TD and a win!
DakotaT
9 years ago
LOL

He starts at number 6 on the depth chart provided we don't draft more receivers.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

AR was MVP-like the first 6 games and Adams missed all but one of them; the rest of the time Adams’ QB was some stooge that was the 30th rated QB in the league. If MVP Rodgers played the entire year Adams misses most of 5 games; but still gets 65-75 catches for 8-900 yards.

Example: Adams’ worst game was T’giving v. Bears: 11 targets, 2 catches, 14 yards, 1 drop, one target INT . But, if Aaron Rodgers was an MVP, Adams’ stat line would have read 9 targets, 7 catches, 68 yards [At least], 1 TD, 1 Drop and no INTs. And if Aaron Rodgers would have delivered the dropped pass on time, Adams may have had another catch for 15 yards.

Here’s the 11 targets:

1st Q; 11:39. Adams in slot does that 0-line out; slot CB hits him at Line of scrimmage; Adams breaks tackle and goes for 6 yards.

1st Q; 9:19. Adams runs a go down right sideline, the CB is 10 Yards off LOS and in bail technique; there is no separation deep and there would not with anyone else either. Aaron Rodgers throws the ball away beyond everyone. Aaron Rodgers should have thrown to Cobb, who was wide open and undoubtedly the 2nd read with a 2 line dig route. The Bears blitzed 5, protection was just so so, the ends were closing and a push was coming up the middle; but there easily was time to make 2nd read and probably 3rd read, which was probably Perillo on a chip and leaking into shallow left flat. Should have been no throw.

1st Q; 8:41- Adams makes an out move and runs a perfect inside seem route creating about 5 yards of separation and then drops an almost perfect pass; this was definitely a “drop.” As usual, separation is not caused by speed. Separation typically occurs because the WR is able to make a move that will cause the CB to shift his weight in the wrong direction prematurely and then sensing that weight shift makes a cut. ELITE route runners have a sense to make this move at the perfect moment so as to create the separation at the place and moment that is timed to match when QB is to make his read on that WR for that play. Adams ran an ELITE route.

Nerd made a comment in another thread about AR’s timing could cause the drops and another seemed to disagree saying AR’s bad timing does not cause the ball to go thru Adams’ hands; it is a lack of concentration. But, Nerd is right, if the throw is not when and where expected Adams now starts thinking about his secondary move; this splits his concentration, which is no excuse for the drop, but is a contributing factor. On this play, Aaron Rodgers was late with the throw, he ran out of pocket for no apparent reason and threw a bit of a wobbler late and off his back foot. Aaron Rodgers is probably graded as 10% at fault for this INC by the staff.

2Q :08- It was end of half. At Bears 32, I have no idea what Adams route was; but there are 2 choices: a quick out to get a touch closer or a go route hoping the CB is sitting on the out. Adams didn’t look for short pass at all and ran a total half-assed go.

3Q 7:00- Adams runs another sweet 2 line dig. He dropped hips as if to fake the dig, and just as Porter dropped his weight [getting ready for the out] Adams kept running the dig. He had 2 yards of separation. AR's throw did not lead Adams enough forcing Adams to stop; when Adams stopped Porter ran right into him for PI that was not called. The ball hit Adams in the chest and Porter’s hit was not all that violent. Though not a “drop,” Adams should have made the catch. If a good throw Adams gets a catch for 12 yards [and maybe turns up field and gets alot more]

3Q 6:46-Adams runs a WR screen sets up at about ½ yard past LOS; Aaron Rodgers throws the ball 1 yard behind line and at Adams’ ankles. Adams dropped the ball, don’t think it was on purpose, but it should have been because his catching ball behind LOS with momentum moving backward ruined the play. That could have been a nice gain; but for the throw. If a good throw Adams gets a catch for 8 yards [one broken tackle would have been 15 more].

4Q 8:50- Adams runs an 2 line out, he is wide open a good 2-3 yards of separation and Aaron Rodgers throws off back foot and leads Adams so much he cant even dive for the ball. If a good throw Adams has a catch for 12 yards on the play.

4Q 3:23 Rodgers [slot] and Adams [outside] crossed. This play is designed to isolate the safety 1 on 1 with Adams when CB takes Rodgers in flat and Safety has to match w/ Adams. But Bears didn’t switch, the stayed man. Adams was “picked” by the safety racing to the flat to cover Rodgers and ball went right to Porter for INT. This ball should never have been thrown, with the safety in that spot. If the safety was looking for the ball he would have been the one with the INT. Should have been no throw.

4Q 2:45 Adams again ran another beautiful Dig route; has 3-4 yards separation and this time instead of throwing the ball behind Adams he led Adams to much who had to dive to get a finger tip on the ball. A good throw gets Adams 14 yards.

4Q 1:18 3rd and 7 at Chicago 16 down by 4 [the game is on the line] Adams runs a great route again pressuring Porter up field [would have had more separation if not at Chicago 16]. Adams clears yard to gain by 3 yards allowing him to come back and make the catch with a good hit by Porter for 8 yards.

4Q :29 4th and G down by 4. Adams has his guy on right hip; if Aaron Rodgers throws to lower to left hip it’s a TD, instead he throw it high, not far enough left. If a good throw Adams gets a catch for 8 yards and a TD and a win!

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Thanks for posting these.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago
I don't know whether to laugh at your post, or cry for you because of your post.


The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
uffda udfa
9 years ago
So many things wrong with that 17 post. AR was not at an MVP level the first 6 games.

Ty Montgomery had more to do with our better showing than Adams ever did over first 6 games. 88 is the much better of the two and that's painfully obvious.

17 is the WR equivalent of DuJuan Harris at RB. Hype. No results.

Adams better than Greg Jennings? Lol. Yeah, the Dolphins version of Greg.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

So many things wrong with that 17 post. Aaron Rodgers was not at an MVP level the first 6 games.

Ty Montgomery had more to do with our better showing than Adams ever did over first 6 games. 88 is the much better of the two and that's painfully obvious.

17 is the WR equivalent of DuJuan Harris at RB. Hype. No results.

Adams better than Greg Jennings? Lol. Yeah, the Dolphins version of Greg.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



MOntgomery is more explosive.

Davante is a little bigger, more of a "go up and get it" type of guy. Runs better routes. Monty is kind of a hybrid. I'm starting to look at him and Cobb as those "Sproles" type of slash weapon type guys.
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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

Davante is a little bigger, more of a "go up and get it" type of guy. Runs better routes. Monty is kind of a hybrid. I'm starting to look at him and Cobb as those "Sproles" type of slash weapon type guys.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



What is this based on?

They are about the same weight, if you take height and jumping ability (combine numbers) they are equal. They are about the same in speed. I would see them more interchangeable in the offense where neither is going to have any specific type casting. Either of them being able to line up any WR position and running any type route.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
9 years ago
I guess i am one of the few who arent worried about Adams.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago
The only way Adams might be fine is in the physical sense. His ankle should be fine by OTAs.

He looked better than he was when Jordy, Randall and Eddie had it going. Might be a borderline 3 at best but think more like Dakota that he's the worst we have.

He wasn't just a failure in 2015...he was a monumental bust. When RR is the better of the two by a lot that speaks volumes to how bad Davante was last season.
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Barfarn
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9 years ago

This team wasn't right all season but now we had MVP play that just evaporated because Davante got hurt?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



This is dishonest [See DSM IV and V].

The above analysis shows Adams ran one bad route; a couple of great ones; had a drop; is skilled at separation; failed to make 3 tough catches on three pretty bad throws; failed to get through or fight thru a pic to at least knock down a pass destined for an INT. You 'll find that when Jordy was younger he had games like this too. And Greg Jennings had a ton of games like this. Adams will be okay.

The above analysis is how the Staff will decide if Davante stays on the field-NOT BY USING STATS. He will get positive grades if he runs good routes and the QB misfires. He will get bad grades if he runs a bad or wrong route; then AR scrambles and hits Adams for a 65 yard TD. A good receiver is also expected to make some tough catches.

It is obvious you don't understand the game. Adams does not have control over his stats; so using stats [or other silly minutia] only to evaluate often leads to silly conclusions.

Example 1: Jumal Rolle gets cut; then get 3 INTs and Goodson gets 0; you conclude that you are smarter than TT, MM and the staff. I, of course, analyzed their respective play and pointed out to you that not only was Goodson better at mirroring the receiver; but he had more upside.

Example 2: Based on silly minutia for evaluating talent [a guy that plays safety in college cant play CB in NFL] you opined that Ted Thompson is an idiot for drafting Randall. I tired to get you to look at his play, you refused and were again WRONG.

hypothetical: CM3 on 4 plays is assigned to guard the TE; instead he blitzes. The result is one sack and the TE gets 3 catches for 45 yards and CM3 gets benched. of course, no one, including PFF, would know CM3's responsibility, so the poor schmuck closest to the play, maybe Burnett or Joe Thomas, gets blamed for the TE's catches. Then, you'd exclaim MM and idiot for benching a guy that gets 1 sack every 4 plays and keeps a fool that can't cover a TE on the field.

Now, like the blind squirrel that can stumble upon an acorn or the broken that is correct twice per day; sometimes the stats and silly minutia just coincidentally happen to coincide with a player's actual worth.

This good, bad, shades of gray thing is hard for the adolescent mind or caveman to grasp. But if you insist or are only able to put players in tiny little boxes, that is, defining them metaphorically using only one syllable; just state your opinion, move on and don't misrepresent the argument.
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