OlHoss1884
9 years ago
Apologies if this has already been posted and I missed it, but this was a good read:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/blame-for-underachieving-season-falls-on-mike-mccarthy-ted-thompson-b99656523z1-366325731.html 
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nerdmann
9 years ago

According to several sources, McCarthy is fed up with his boss' unwillingness to take a chance and reinforce the roster with veteran players that might be unknown to the Packers but have the talent to contribute.



I thought it was pretty clear that Aaron was tanking the offense late in the season. McGinn doesn't get into that at all. Obviously ultimate responsibility falls on Mike and Ted, as they are higher in the management structure than Aaron, but I think Aaron's shit suckage should at least get a mention.

With no owner to answer to, Thompson can choose not to deal with the uncomfortable issues associated with the end of any season.



Also unfair. Ted does have boss, Mark Murphy. There is also a board of directors.

You can say whatever you want to say. With that quarterback, those offensive linemen, those running backs and, yes, even those wide receivers and tight ends, if used properly and creatively, the personnel was there to move the ball consistently running or passing, fast or slow tempo, spread formation or jumbo.



If "the personnel was there," then why is he dogging Ted? #hypocrisy

Rodgers had a poor season, and it was a huge problem for McCarthy and his coaches. Much of this rests on his shoulders. He regressed.



Ok, then. Is he losing it due to age? Did he tank the offense out of spite? Should he have been held more accountable? By that, do we mean he should have taken a seat?
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MintBaconDrivel
9 years ago

They'll roll the ball out again next season, these Green Bay Packers, hopeful of putting an end to their five-year string of unfulfilled seasons.

They'll be banking on the heretofore prolific quarterbacking of Aaron Rodgers, the consistent management/scouting style of Ted Thompson and the steady coaching of Mike McCarthy.

They're seeking a record 14th National Football League championship, and Packers President Mark Murphy has made the only logical decision he can make by opting to stand pat.

Next season, the Packers will play what is judged to be the easiest schedule in the league, at least on paper. Matched against the two weakest divisions, the NFC East and the AFC South, the Packers will play opponents that finished 117-139 (.457) in 2015.

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Zero2Cool
9 years ago
It's too bad this was sourced out by Bob Lies4Clicks McGinn.

McCarthy, however, got almost no help from Thompson in 2015 other than the first five selections in the draft. According to several sources, McCarthy is fed up with his boss' unwillingness to take a chance and reinforce the roster with veteran players that might be unknown to the Packers but have the talent to contribute.



Wait, the first FIVE selections of the draft provided help and that's viewed negatively here? You gotta be kidding? If you can get good help from any five draft picks each year, that is a helluva positive thing.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

It's too bad this was sourced out by Bob Lies4Clicks McGinn.


Wait, the first FIVE selections of the draft provided help and that's viewed negatively here? You gotta be kidding? If you can get good help from any five draft picks each year, that is a helluva positive thing.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



That is surface thinking. Big picture thinking considers more than base details that 5 guys helped. It considers the quality of the help given. When you only draft and develop that necessitates that the guys who are drafted have to play whether they should be playing or not but we've never seen that in Green Bay, have we? 😁

This organization has had 24 years of unprecedented QB play. 2 rings. SF had 20 years of Montana and Young and reeled in 5 rings.

I'm so tired of reading how people with expectations should just chill and realize how great we actually have it. We should be seeing greatness but all we get is good and people happy with that. Don't get it.

EDIT: Buck, I just got done reading from the search function. Use: AJ Hawk and Buckeyepackfan ...Oh,you're right...you never used the exact words of AJ Hawk being a great draft pick but boy oh boy did you say it without using those exact words. Also, I found it funny reading some of your other posts. Trying to stick it in my face that Davante was a good WR because he replaced Jarrett Boykin and how stupid I was for saying he was going to be a disappointment using passing Boykin for your reasoning. Surface, Buck. Surface. AJ Hawk played for x amount of years and had x amount of tackles therefore he was a great player. You did type that. You thought he was an excellent player for us for 8 years. I will say it again...IF he makes the Packers Hall of Fame there is no reason to ever visit the Packers Hall of Fame because putting a guy like Hawk in just trashes the quality of what it should represent. He was a TERRIBLE 5th overall pick for this franchise.
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DakotaT
9 years ago



EDIT: Buck, I just got done reading from the search function. Use: AJ Hawk and Buckeyepackfan ...Oh,you're right...you never used the exact words of AJ Hawk being a great draft pick but boy oh boy did you say it without using those exact words. Also, I found it funny reading some of your other posts. Trying to stick it in my face that Davante was a good WR because he replaced Jarrett Boykin and how stupid I was for saying he was going to be a disappointment using passing Boykin for your reasoning. Surface, Buck. Surface. AJ Hawk played for x amount of years and had x amount of tackles therefore he was a great player. You did type that. You thought he was an excellent player for us for 8 years. I will say it again...IF he makes the Packers Hall of Fame there is no reason to ever visit the Packers Hall of Fame because putting a guy like Hawk in just trashes the quality of what it should represent. He was a TERRIBLE 5th overall pick for this franchise.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Deep thinking is not synonymous with the nauseating people who provide statistics as their argument. If statistics were theorem provers - Richard Rodgers would be considered one of the best tight ends in the league instead of only a guy with good hands and can block. Everybody knows he has no athletic ability to shred a defense, but he does catch the ball - oooooh Ted Thompson really knocked it out of the park with that pick. 🙄

Buck's contribution to this forum provides me entertainment and that's about it. Considering AJ Hawk one of the greatest linebackers in our organizations history because of the amount of tackles he has is absolutely ludicrous. He isn't even in the conversation. 😂 I've even offered to send him a Hawk jersey for free, but he won't take it. 😂
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uffda udfa
9 years ago
What I love is you now have reports that MM is just like guys like Dakota and myself. MM gets that our GM just doesn't do enough to maximize each season. I understand his frustration. ANYONE objectively watching can see this so I'm very happy to read that even the Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers sees this and is frustrated by it. What that tells me is one of them, or both, has to go.

This comment from profootballtalk.com on the MM frustration is poignant:

Packers fans should want something more than merely contending for the balance of Rodgers’ career. Arguably the best quarterback of the last decade, the Packers should have more than one Super Bowl appearance during his career.

----No? Really? Don't tell most fans here that! It's just fine being competitive. My goodness the bubble some are in. Get out of the bubble and see, man! The voices are growing louder about what is really happening in Packerland. Nobody cared or paid it much attention because you usually don't see things until it's too late. Those things should've been seen especially by Packers fans but they were too busy in their tiers of happiness to notice.

Hoping this means something finally gives and we get some real NEEDED change around here. That's what we should want...but most likely don't.

Somebody should PIN this article at the top of the board and have every Packers fan read it before they can proceed here. Every single new Packers fan or old should be reading and learning from that piece. The same old same old isn't what we need. Gotta go for it. As it says... no guts no glory. Org has been gutless for years.

EDIT: I just LOVED this comment to the PFT piece:

gtodriver says:
Jan 24, 2016 3:44 PM
The rest of the league has realized that TT’s approach to FA is not getting the job done for years.

Now MM realizes it.

In a a decade or two, the Packer fans will admit it too.

---Oh, that last part is oh so true. Get on board, now, or you'll be on the wrong side of Packers history.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

What I love is you now have reports that Mike McCarthy is just like guys like Dakota and myself. Mike McCarthy gets that our GM just doesn't do enough to maximize each season. I understand his frustration. ANYONE objectively watching can see this so I'm very happy to read that even the Head Coach of the Green Bay Packers sees this and is frustrated by it. What that tells me is one of them, or both, has to go.

This comment from profootballtalk.com on the Mike McCarthy frustration is poignant:

Packers fans should want something more than merely contending for the balance of Rodgers’ career. Arguably the best quarterback of the last decade, the Packers should have more than one Super Bowl appearance during his career.

----No? Really? Don't tell most fans here that! It's just fine being competitive. My goodness the bubble some are in. Get out of the bubble and see, man! The voices are growing louder about what is really happening in Packerland. Nobody cared or paid it much attention because you usually don't see things until it's too late. Those things should've been seen especially by Packers fans but they were too busy in their tiers of happiness to notice.

Hoping this means something finally gives and we get some real NEEDED change around here. That's what we should want...but most likely don't.

Somebody should PIN this article at the top of the board and have every Packers fan read it before they can proceed here. Every single new Packers fan or old should be reading and learning from that piece. The same old same old isn't what we need. Gotta go for it. As it says... no guts no glory. Org has been gutless for years.

EDIT: I just LOVED this comment to the PFT piece:

gtodriver says:
Jan 24, 2016 3:44 PM
The rest of the league has realized that TT’s approach to FA is not getting the job done for years.

Now Mike McCarthy realizes it.

In a a decade or two, the Packer fans will admit it too.

---Oh, that last part is oh so true. Get on board, now, or you'll be on the wrong side of Packers history.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



We need another LT this year, but it turned out he was already on the roster, in Tretter. Ted's tightwad ways are not what caused us our season to end this year OR last year. Instead it was Mike's own inability (or unwillingness) to put his oppenents away at the end of games.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

We need another LT this year, but it turned out he was already on the roster, in Tretter. Ted's tightwad ways are not what caused us our season to end this year OR last year. Instead it was Mike's own inability (or unwillingness) to put his oppenents away at the end of games.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I'm not a fan of either and think both deserve blame. Again, Nerd, who was it that extended Mike McCarthy? You can't run away from that fact. MM should've never been extended. I said that back when it happened. A few more years and the perception will finally change but that will be at the too late point.


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DakotaT
9 years ago

We need another LT this year, but it turned out he was already on the roster, in Tretter. Ted's tightwad ways are not what caused us our season to end this year OR last year. Instead it was Mike's own inability (or unwillingness) to put his oppenents away at the end of games.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



He's too small. Jesus Christ, Nerd!
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