He doesn't HAVE to run for his life on virtually every play he chooses to. If the ball is still in his hand after about 3 seconds then it's on him, no one should expect the line to consistently block longer than that. He's been running and dancing out of clean pockets game after game during this slump. It's a huge problem. It's been such a problem that a lot of teams aren't even going after him they are rushing just to keep him in the pocket because he's been panicking and running himself into pressure or throwing bad passes so often.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

Is his first read getting open?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

Even if that's an issue on plays it's not on the offensive line. My point really is you can't just straight up compare to a team like NE because they have a completely different style. Rodgers has to be the hardest QB in the NFL to block for because of his style or if that's built in then it's the scheme. Saying "well Tom Brady never gets touched" when he never has the ball longer than two and a half seconds is ignorant.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

You guys that think it is not primarily the O Line, do you even watch other teams' games?

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

But his point was that if nobody is open after 2.5 seconds you're either throwing one up for grabs or scrambling until you're out of the pocket and tossing it away. If NE's WRs are getting open after 2, 3 seconds and the Packers receivers are getting open after 5-infinity seconds, then that will skew the results. You can't look at his time in the pocket and blame it all on one factor. He's got too much happy feet and is missing people semi-often, but the O line regressed, and he's getting very little help from his receivers who have largely been shut down by man coverage.

Why can't we all just agree that the problems with this offense are roughly equal parts Rodgers, WRs not getting open, OL iffy-ness, and coaching staff?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

Why can't we all just agree that the problems with this offense are roughly equal parts Rodgers, WRs not getting open, OL iffy-ness, and coaching staff?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

Can we stop the "getting open" thing please? It's not about getting open is about throwing the best pass you can find. In 2-3 seconds a WR can be 30 yards downfield, let's say he is NOT open, there's a defender just next to him, what can happen if you throw the pass anyway?

a) The WR gets the ball big completion
b) The DB gets the ball: INT
c) The pass is deflected, dropped or off-target (incompletion)
d) DPI (big completion)

The big problem is that Rodgers won't throw it, he just won't do it because he has a problem with interceptions. So it's not about getting open or about the protection is about not being able to make the best play you can make because you are worried about ints, fumbles and injuries, you are going insane jumping all around the pocket looking for a guy to be completely open to throw.

We don't need the WRs to improve, we don't need the OL to improve, we don't need to bench Rodgers we need a good shrink for Aaron. It's all in his head now, you can clearly see it at the last 4 games.

Originally Posted by: luigis 

You're just plain wrong when you say "throw the best pass you can find". What do you want? Damn Cutler or Stafford? The primary reason why Aaron Rodgers throws so few interceptions - even now when he allegedly has diminishing accuracy is because he does NOT do that. Similarly this idiocy about him holding onto the ball too long has a lot to do with NOT just putting it up for grabs. Granted, most QBs, pro and college, do exactly what you say - and what happens? A whole lot more interceptions than what Aaron Rodgers throws. Is that really what you want? Be careful what you wish for.

It still all comes back to the O Line - and the receivers too. As somebody said, the first read very seldom is open, and Rodgers virtually always has to scramble - often even before the 2.5 or whatever seconds. Some damn fool said oh, he doesn't have to; Well yeah, I suppose he could just stand there and take a sack or worse yet, throw it now matter what - and get Cutler numbers of interceptions (this year even Cutler has wised up about that hahahaha).

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

You are missing a key point: Rodgers is not Cutler/Stafford

Originally Posted by: luigis