Should Jordy be cut? ·

Barfarn
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9 years ago

It sounds like Jordy is doing an AP type ACL recovery, so it may have been a mistake not to IR-DTR him.

If we cut him now [b4 trade deadline] he doesnt need to clear waivers and it will generate a 6-7M cap hit. But in 6 weeks after the injury will be healed [so maybe 8-10 weeks] we can resign him for the min and a bonus so he ends up financially where he would have been. Then his cap hit will be 6-7M lower over the next 3 years. So in 4 years the cap hit in total will be no more than if he stayed on IR and finished his contract.

I dont think there is a rule against this. But there will be next year after we do it 😂.

Reminds me of Boston signing Larry Bird the year before his eligibility expired; then they changed the rule.

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texaspackerbacker
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9 years ago

If this was a ploy to have him play this season after we IRed him without the exception like Quarless, then maybe the risk might be worth taking, but just to rearrange a few million in cap money? No. It seems like this idea would apply more to somebody who is struggling to come back from injury and might be damaged goods. If Nelson does indeed come back strong, then we are throwing away the contract he has now and taking a chance it would take a lot more money to sign him later.

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Zero2Cool
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9 years ago

Once you're on injured reserve, your season is over. You can't play for the team that put you on injured reserve. That's how I understand the rules. Since you can't cut someone who is injured, you'd have to come to an injury settlement. Jordy would have to pass a physical to be cut and then would have to sign with a different team.

Barfarn
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9 years ago

Tex- The ONLY reason to do this would be so Jordy can play in playoffs. The cap hit is a negative consequence of cutting him that will come out in the wash over time.

And Z2C, of course, that is the intent of the rule and if he stays w/ GB he can't play; but if we reach an injury settlement and cut him off injured reserve he instantly becomes a free agent. There is a rule preventing a waived-injured player from resigning w/ the team that waived him for 6 weeks after the term of the injury settlement. So if Jordy takes a 2 week injury settlement he can resign w/ Pack in 8 weeks.

The only hitch I can see from the example below is that Turbin is not a vested veteran and when cut must clear waivers. So maybe resigning w/ the team that did the injury settlement only applies to a player that is "waived-injured" not "cut-injured."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/09/seahawks-waive-robert-turbin-off-injured-reserve/ article from September 9:
The Seahawks opened training camp with Robert Turbin and Christine Michael set to be the backups to running back Marshawn Lynch.

They’ll start the season without either man in the organization. Michael was traded to the Cowboys and Turbin has been waived off of injured reserve after reaching an injury settlement with the team. Turbin was placed on injured reserve with an ankle injury when the team made the cut to 53 players.

Turbin will be eligible to be claimed by the other 31 teams in the league and will become a free agent if no one decides to pull the trigger. He could return to the Seahawks in six weeks if he hasn’t found a new team, but that seems like a long shot given their decision to place him on injured reserve with an injury that isn’t expected to keep Turbin sidelined for the entire season.

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Zero2Cool
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9 years ago

I'm not understanding why you think a team can cut a player they put on injured reserve and then sign them. I'm not finding anything that remotely says this would be a possible scenario and in fact everything points to the rules forbidding it. You've clearly read more fine print of the rules than me I guess.

Barfarn
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I am asking the question, 'cause I'm not sure. TE Richard Gordon was released from IR by KC on 9-14; and he was signed by Denver when they released Mitchell Henry. So can Gordon go back to KC this year?

Turbin, not a vested vet, was waived from injured reserve by Seattle and he can resign with them in 6 weeks. This 6 week thing might not apply to vested vets; and the 6 week thing may only come into play if a guy is put on IR on or about final cut down day.

Nelson is about the same age as Vince Papale. My back-up plan is: Dr. Mckenzie performs facial reconstruction surgery on Jordy and he's given a new Guatemalan identity. Jerdy [pronounced "Hair' day"] Nelsanolosco, then walks into a sandlot game w/ US GIs at Guantanamo. The buzz hits the ears of several teams and scouts are dispatched and they give Hair'day a workout; of course, he chooses GB and is given a roster spot to Uffda's shock and horror 'cause he's too slow and not even a #1 WR on the Gautemalen national team. So when Jordy retires in a couple of weeks and you hear news of a Guatemalan WR phenom don't be discouraged; it's just Ted being Ted.

nerdmann
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by: Barfarn

The way I understand it is, he can be released, and wouldn't have to pass through waivers, because he is a vested veteran. They probably wouldn't let us resign him for like 6-8 weeks though.

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buckeyepackfan
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9 years ago

Horse Hockey!

Even if they could(AND THEY CAN'T), what kind of message would that send to the other players?

All reports have Jordy way ahead of schedule, even so he hasn't missed a practice, a team meeting or a game.

Jordy is to valuable as a mentor, leader and he has practically became another assistant coach.

He is well worth the money The Packers are paying him this year.

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DarkaneRules
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9 years ago

My assumption is that this topic is a joke... it is right?

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dhazer
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9 years ago

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I think He is trying to get an answer if it is ok by the rules to do that, as Zero was saying it isn't ok. Even if we were able to do that you can't honestly think he would clear waivers. I could see teams from our own division claiming him just to prevent him from being on the Packers.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

Zero2Cool
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9 years ago

#11

Originally Posted by: dhazer

I think barfan is trying to find a clever way of getting Jordy Nelson back. I do not have sources for this, but I am very confident there is no way Jordy Nelson can play this 2015 season for the Green Bay Packers. I know I have read quite a bit about it and while that is true, I may have misunderstood it. That being said, I would put money down that this is not a possibility because if it were, the Patriots would have done it already. That's not an insult, that's a compliment to their thoroughness and understanding of loopholes.

nerdmann
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9 years ago

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Originally Posted by: dhazer

As a vested veteran, I do not believe he would have to clear wIvers.

Iirc, the Patriots have done this before.

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Zero2Cool
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9 years ago

#13

As a vested veteran, I do not believe he would have to clear wIvers.

Iirc, the Patriots have done this before.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

The Patriots and other teams cut a healthy player with the understanding between both team and player they will re-sign them. This is usually called the 54-man roster trick. That is not the same as releasing someone from injured reserve and then signing them again for the same season for the same team.

Reserve/Injured
Except for players who are subject to the rules for injury settlements or who have been “Designated for Return” (more on that below), players who are placed on the Reserve/Injured List at any time are prohibited from playing and/or practicing for the rest of the season, including postseason, with the club that placed them on the Reserve/Injured List.

If a club subsequently waives or otherwise terminates a player on the Reserve/Injured List, the club is prohibited from re-acquiring such a player during the 2015 regular season and postseason.

source wrote:

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luigis
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9 years ago

#14

- Hello?
- Bill?
- Yes, who is this?
- I'm Ted Thompson
- Ted, what can I do for you?
- I've made a mistake
- Really? well don't worry fire Tom Clemments and that's it.
- No, no, I made a mistake with Jordy Nelson, he is going to be fine for the playoffs and put him in IR.
- Oh boy, why you didn't call me first?
- I did, you were busy watching some videos.
- Ok, never mind, I know what we can do.
- I'm all ears
- Cut him, find an injury settlement, then the Jaguars will pick him from waivers I'll trade with the Jaguars a 1st round pick for Jordy and then I'll trade it to you for all your first round picks from now on.
- Do you mean ALL my first round picks?
- Yes, forever
- Ok, that's fine, anything else?
- Yes, he can't suit against us in the Superbowl
- But...
- Ted take ir or leave it, I have a meeting with the che err rules comitee in 15.
- Ok I take it
- See you in hell Teddy.
- See ya!

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Luis

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9 years ago

#15

I believe the rules actually state a player placed on IR without the return designation is not allowed to return to play for that same team.

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buckeyepackfan
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9 years ago

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Originally Posted by: dhazer

Well if he was asking a rule question don't title the thread "Should Jordy be cut".

I took that as meaning he wanted to cut Nelson just to save a little money.

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Smokey
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9 years ago

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Jordy Nelson may be healing ahead of schedule, which is great, but scheming and plotting to see him return at all this season is just selfish and uncaring. If they did screw him over on his contract, it would foster an environment that could badly effect the rest of the team. I hope that kind of thinking never finds it's way into the Packers organization, after all they are not the Bears, Lions or Vikings. Look at how that Favre drama played out and the bad feelings that some still hold. [nono]

sschind
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9 years ago

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I'd be worried that if we pulled all that Guatemalan stuff we would end up with a bad hair day and it would mess everything up.

As far as Barfan's attempt at circumventing the rules I'd be very surprised if there were a way to do it but I'm sure if it could be done Belichick would have done it.

Although come to think of it if there was a legal way to circumvent the rules it wouldn't be cheating so maybe Belichick wouldn't have thought of it.

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Barfarn
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9 years ago

#19

Last year we IR'd Joe Thomas on 8-26-14, did an injury settlement and released him and then on 11-3-14 we resigned him.

I guess there's a distinction between a reserve/injured list and the waived-injured list.

So if that Z2C's Vikings link and several others are correct, then it's now up to Dr. McKenzie's facial reconstruction plan, if Jordy's gonna be in SB!

Good news: if Jordy had a shot to play in playoffs, but for the IR rules, he should be 100% for OTAs.

PS: Good Point Buck, the thread should have said cut/resign Jordy

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