luigis
9 years ago
I could have added Rollins and JJ to the half full glass of course. Rollins' picks were lucky, but he played a hell of a game specially in run support as barfan commented.
JJ had a fantastic, terrific play and the rest was average.

Cobb had a horrible game but he is banged up so I left him out. Same with Lacy.

Walker had a couple of very bad series against Donald then he was good.


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Mucky Tundra
9 years ago
I guess I'll go out on a limb and put Datone Jones in the glass half full category. Pressure on Foles led directly to the Rollins Pick 6 and blocked a FG when it was a two score game. Given they tried a fake punt, they might have tried a surprise onside kick if they closed within one score.

Edit: Whoops, the blocked FG came after the fake punt. Well, I guess it was a nice way to halt their momentum.
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musccy
9 years ago


And Mike McCarthy because the Refs suck you cannot afford stupid challenges. Ya blow one; use one on a bad call that can be overturned and now ya got no more. A rule expert coach would have advised Mike McCarthy not to do the first challenge.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



I didn't get that one myself with so little to gain. At best you give them 4th and about 2 inches when they may go for it anyway. I'm sure he was advised by some guy upstairs to throw the flag, but that guy better not get any free coffee at work today.



Zero2Cool
9 years ago
A challenge gives the team usually couple minutes to prepare. Do we know that someone wasn't gassed and needed a breather? Maybe someone was hurt and needed a few minutes to shake it off?

There is a lot more that goes into the challenges than coaches should admit. But McCarthy has admitted already that he sometimes challenges to give the team more time to prepare than a timeout and believes that sometimes you might even get the call your way.
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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

I didn't get that one myself with so little to gain. At best you give them 4th and about 2 inches when they may go for it anyway. I'm sure he was advised by some guy upstairs to throw the flag, but that guy better not get any free coffee at work today.



Originally Posted by: musccy 



I think that challenge may have led from the call the other week on I think Cobb where his own momentum brought him from past the line to gain to short of it before being touched and Mike saw this play the same as that one.
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musccy
9 years ago

Do we know that someone wasn't gassed and needed a breather? Maybe someone was hurt and needed a few minutes to shake it off?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Of course we don't, and likely never would know that, but I find that hard to believe.

You get 6 time outs in a game. You have half, maybe even less than that many opportunities to correct what could be game-changing calls. I can't see coaches wasting challenges for a breather in the 1st quarter, especially with a roster as deep as the Packers are displaying they currently have.

Zero2Cool
9 years ago

Of course we don't, and likely never would know that, but I find that hard to believe.

You get 6 time outs in a game. You have half, maybe even less than that many opportunities to correct what could be game-changing calls. I can't see coaches wasting challenges for a breather in the 1st quarter, especially with a roster as deep as the Packers are displaying they currently have.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Oh, the challenge was in the 1st quarter? I for some reason was thinking 2nd quarter. Yeah, doubt any one was gassed enough to merit extra time that a timeout does not provide.



Edit: Wait, the challenge WAS in the 2nd quarter. A few observations (hindsight makes one a genius) here.

The play challenged was 3rd and 5 at the 28 and was ruled a 1st down at the 23 with ~2:30 in the half and the Packers were leading 14 - 7.

Heck yeah you challenge this! Who knows, maybe it goes your way?

If it does not go your way, you at least got more time to scheme against their offense in hopes of keeping them out of the end zone and holding them to a FG attempt.

If it does go you way by some long shot, you hold them to a FG attempt and get the ball back with 2 time outs and maybe the 2 minute warning. You also have the opportunity to add a FG or Touchdown to your lead. As a bonus, you get the ball opening the 2nd half. Aaron Rodgers and the team call it "double up" or something like that. They love scoring to close 1st half and getting the ball to start 2nd half.

I get the challenge and understand it was probably more a wing/prayer than a challenge that they felt certain they were going to win. This was not a bad challenge or a wasted challenge. This was a tactical challenge and actually quite smart.
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musccy
9 years ago
My mistake if it was in the 2nd Q - some of the details get foggy when you're an old fart like me (35).

Anyway, I think we'll end up agreeing to disagree. Admittedly I'm being nit-picky. In the grand scheme of things, it didn't affect much, just my opinion that it wasn't a necessary challenge.

Even if they win it, at best it sets up 4th and a few inches, and Fisher showed later in the game that he's willing to take risks. 4th and inches is pretty convert-able. I just don't see a huge upside to risking one of your two challenges.

Zero2Cool
9 years ago

My mistake if it was in the 2nd Q - some of the details get foggy when you're an old fart like me (35).

Anyway, I think we'll end up agreeing to disagree. Admittedly I'm being nit-picky. In the grand scheme of things, it didn't affect much, just my opinion that it wasn't a necessary challenge.

Even if they win it, at best it sets up 4th and a few inches, and Fisher showed later in the game that he's willing to take risks. 4th and inches is pretty convert-able. I just don't see a huge upside to risking one of your two challenges.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



You didn't even know what quarter so ... 😨 ... haha joking with ya man.

I agree, it was not a NECESSARY challenge and one likely to not go your way. However, I think I sufficiently explained the low-risk correlation with potential high-reward efficiently to merit some distinction that it was not as some might say, a stupid challenge.

Sure, if someone wants to have value on the teams challenge winning percentage, then yeah it was a stupid challenge, but in the big picture of things, it was a good challenge in the sense of the reward vs risk. Of course that is my opinion and in this case, dammit, it is a factoid!!! 😂
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luigis
9 years ago
I'd like to know the stats for challenging the spot. It seems to me the refs never want to admit they spotted the ball in the wrong position. Everything else they might change but don't ever dare to challenge the spot.


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