DakotaT
9 years ago
Ban them all Zero, they're being mean! I'm going to go run and pout for a few days.

What I do know is that I can read the sports page and get the same information as some of what guys regurgitate. Try thinking outside the box sometimes, you might amaze yourselves.


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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

Ban them all Zero, they're being mean! I'm going to go run and pout for a few days.

What I do know is that I can read the sports page and get the same information as some of what guys regurgitate. Try thinking outside the box sometimes, you might amaze yourselves.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Your only substance to your opinion is your opinion. You have absolutely no reasoning or even statistical analysis of any kind to support your theory. You think people should just go "oh, okay, he said so so ...so... it must be" and that's just ignorance and you are far better than that. Give us your reasoning as to why someone is better. Until you do that, no one worth their weight in salt will value your opinion at all.

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DakotaT
9 years ago

Your only substance to your opinion is your opinion. You have absolutely no reasoning or even statistical analysis of any kind to support your theory. You think people should just go "oh, okay, he said so so ...so... it must be" and that's just ignorance and you are far better than that. Give us your reasoning as to why someone is better. Until you do that, no one worth their weight in salt will value your opinion at all.

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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



My eyes tell me that Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald are better than Jordy Nelson. Stats are for all you geniuses to have your circle jerks with.

And you have that wrong again, Uffda, Nerd, and me are the football idiots - you stat Geeks know everything.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

My eyes tell me that Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald are better than Jordy Nelson. Stats are for all you geniuses to have your circle jerks with.

And you have that wrong again, Uffda, Nerd, and me are the football idiots - you stat Geeks know everything.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



What do you see that makes them better than Jordy Nelson? Are they faster? Are they more agile? Do they catch with their hands more than their body? Are they better at back shoulder catches? Are they better run blockers? What is it that you see? Why is that so hard to explain? If it's so clear and obvious, it shouldn't be difficult to explain, right? I'm just looking for a discussion here.
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DoddPower
9 years ago

My eyes tell me that Dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald are better than Jordy Nelson. Stats are for all you geniuses to have your circle jerks with.

And you have that wrong again, Uffda, Nerd, and me are the football idiots - you stat Geeks know everything.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Even if Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryant are better than Nelson (Fitzgerald no longer is), that still doesn't change the fact that Jordy is a #1 WR. Are you saying there are only 2-3 "#1 WRs" in the entire NFL?
Zero2Cool
9 years ago
This person is only a Super Bowl MVP and two time NFL MVP, but what do his eyes tell him about Jordy Nelson?

Let us read, shall we? 😁

Q: What is the challenge in replacing Jordy? And how will beginning preparation for the season opener against Chicago raise morale around here since players are still down about losing him?

RODGERS: It's tough because he is such a great guy and teammate. His play on the field is exceptional. He does things that you just can't teach out there. You can't replace him with one guy. It's just not possible. You just have to have everyone else lift their level of play and try and make up for the loss, if that's possible. But you don't get better losing a guy like Jordy Nelson. You just try to get back to where you were when you had him.


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sschind
9 years ago

This person is only a Super Bowl MVP and two time NFL MVP, but what do his eyes tell him about Jordy Nelson?

Let us read, shall we? 😁


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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



In all fairness what do you expect him to say. He is not going to come out and say "It will be tough to replace Jordy, not as tough as it would be to replace Calvin or Dez or Larry, but still it will be tough" there is such a thing as team mate speak. That said I do think that Rodgers probably believes Jordy can play as well as anyone and his stats, oooohhh there's that dirty word, do sort of bear that out.

let me ask you guys who are so down on stats a question. When is all said and done, which player would you rather have on your team the guy who consistently catches 100+ passes for 1200+ yards and 12+ TDs or the guy who is bigger, faster and more athletic but can't get over 10 catches for 100 yards and and TD.

Face it The only reason you think the bigger, faster more athletic guys are better is because in addition to being bigger, faster and more athletic they also put up the stats. A guy can be the biggest, fastest most athletic player the game has ever seen but if he can't put up the stats in a few years people are going to be saying "remember that guy? whatever happened to him."

What guys like Johnson, Bryant and Fitzgerald COULD do with a QB like Rodgers is pure speculation and quite frankly irrelevant. What is relevant is what a player like Nelson CAN and DID do with Rodgers. We are talking about top 5-10 wrs in the league, not comparing a top 5 with a top 50 guy. You guys act as if though one of those three (or maybe even some others depending on your opinions) could come in and catch 150 passes for 2000 yards and 25 TDs like it was nothing. Well, they might be able to if the Packers wanted it to happen, but you know what, Nelson might be able to as well if her Packers wanted it to happen.

Oh, and here is another stat for you to be disgusted with. Jordy Nelson, 1 player, 7 seasons 1 SB ring. Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, Larry Fitzgerald 3 players 25 seasons no SB rings. Maybe being the most talented biggest fastest most athletic player is NOT the most important.
PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

Tell you what man.

Call it whatever the fuck you guys want. We hashed it out in another thread. Dez's contract is comparable to Cobb and Nelson's contracts combined. But Cobb and Nelson combine for more production.

No corp of DBs in the league is as deep as our WR corps. That's a legit strategy, and it seems to be working quite well.

Remember when Sterling went down with that neck injury? Everyone was worried about Bert. Well as it turned out, Bert actually did better when he spread the ball around, instead of always looking for that "#1."

But yeah. "#1" is just a goddamn label.

Can Jordy beat a team's best, or "number one" CB? Yeah. So he's a legit #1 WR, imo. But it doesn't matter how you label him. The production is there.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Your post just backs up what I stated. How do we defense Dez or Calvin? We bracket cover them. having greater depth makes that harder to do. Teams don't defend us the same as teams with a dominate #1. Can't bracket 3 different WRs. Its not a knock on any of our WR, I rather take 4 #2s over Calvin or Dez but make no mistake if it was a head to head competition between Calvin and Jordy, Calvin wins.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago
The debate isn't whether Calvin Johnson is better than Jordy Nelson.

What we're trying to debate is whether Jordy Nelson is a WR1 or not and also identifying the criteria of what makes a WR an actual WR1.
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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago
OK, last year Jordy had 98 receptions, randall 91. We don't have a #1 WR. We have two starting WR that are better combined than most teams top two combined. And we have them with the best QB in the league. There are few teams where Randall and Jordy combined are going to put up the same numbers as they do in this offense with Rodgers.
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