The civil discussion upon Ted Thompson

ILikeThePackers39
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he reminds me of his brother Jerry Reinsdorf when he dismantled the Bulls.

"dhazer" wrote:

Well, you're obviously not from Chicago or old enough to really remember what it was like when ReinsDork did that. NO comparison, in any way at all.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

Excuse me i was a Bulls season ticket holder when he did this. He didn't want it known as MJ's team he wanted it known as the team he built. Ted Thompson didn't want this known as Favre's team he wants it known as his own. The bulls have sucked since and as far as Ted Thompson he has had 1 winning season out of 4 your probably to young to remember the last time the Packers had losing seasons. People are saying he has helped this team by getting us under the cap well tell me this what good is it if he don't spend it but on second teir players? Ted Thompson got rid of the aging line but yet to this day hasn't found a replacement. So now tell me where i am wrong.

"dhazer" wrote:

Brett isn't MJ - there's one area you're wrong. Also, Reiny flat out SAID he wanted the Bulls to be known as his team and not MJ's or Phil's - Thompson hasn't ever said anything, and as usual it's your irrational hatred (fueled by an equally irrational hero worship) that's leading you to compare the two.

If Thompson ever manages to put together a track record as miserable as Reinsdorf, then maybe I'll join you - but as of yet he's not anywhere near in the same category.

EDIT to add: And as my member name attests, I'm 39 - I lived through the 70s and 80s right along with everyone else. Again, comparing the current Packers to the joke we used to call a team is just hyperbole aimed at stirring people up, and that's just tired as hell at this point. Get a new act.

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zombieslayer
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16 years ago

#102

The only thing that matters is the results on the field.

"macbob" wrote:

Bingo!
In the end of the day, I want more Lombardis than the Cows. I don't care of the GM comes to work dressed in a tutu. Just get us the players it takes to win. That's all I ask for.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

Oh, great, thanks for THAT visual. Now I've got visions of Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson in tutus. I'm going to have to go scrub my eyes with drano now...

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

You're welcome.

You know what though? Ted Thompson wouldn't look too bad in a tutu. MM though, that would be disastrous. He'd be like the Hippo dancing with the Crocodile in Fantasia.

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Cheesey
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16 years ago

#103

What I read about Wolf and Favre is that Wolf really wanted Favre. The Falcons ended up drafting him and Wolf did what it took to get Favre over here.

So Wolf gets full credit for Favre, as Ted Thompson gets full credit for Gregorious.

"oskarliminga" wrote:

Sure he did! But it was still a gamble at the tiime. And after Wolf watched Favre for a bit, he then went to FA and got Reggie. He knew there was a piece from the puzzzle that was missing, on DEFENSE.

Jennings is definiyely a piece in the current puzzle, but there are still some missing pieces.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

So....when Wolf did a good move, he was a genius....when Ted Thompson does it, he's "lucky?" Man.......to me thats just ignoring the truth because you don't WANT to give any credit to TT.
Wolf got Reggie........TT got Woodson and Pickett........TT just got "lucky" again, right?
Oh....and Wolf took several years to build the Packers to where they won the Super Bowl. But you arn't willing to allow Ted Thompson to have the time needed?

To me its unreal how some will dissmiss good moves by our current GM based only on the fact they hate the guy. Ted Thompson got Rodgers.........a guy who threw 28 TD's, and only 13 ints, over 4000 yards in his first season on the field.
Damn......that Ted Thompson is just "lucky!" He has NO idea what he's doing.

yooperfan
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16 years ago

#104

Cheesey, relax, your blood pressure is skyrocketing.
It's all gonna be good come next year when we have the 32nd pick in the draft.

Cheesey
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16 years ago

#105

Cheesey, relax, your blood pressure is skyrocketing.
It's all gonna be good come next year when we have the 32nd pick in the draft.

"yooperfan" wrote:

Thanks Yoop.....and you are right. With what i'm going through right now, getting worked up is the worse thing i can do.
I just have a problem TRYING to understand the lack of logical thinking.

zombieslayer
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#106

Cheesey, relax, your blood pressure is skyrocketing.
It's all gonna be good come next year when we have the 32nd pick in the draft.

"yooperfan" wrote:

Crap! That means we're going to lose the NFC Championship game again?
I was really hoping we'd win the SB next year. You do remember that there are two expansion teams in '09, don't you.

(I'm kidding. Just seeing if anyone fell for it).

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yooperfan
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16 years ago

#107

Cheesey, relax, your blood pressure is skyrocketing.
It's all gonna be good come next year when we have the 32nd pick in the draft.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

"yooperfan" wrote:

Cheesey
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#108

Cheesey, relax, your blood pressure is skyrocketing.
It's all gonna be good come next year when we have the 32nd pick in the draft.

"oskarliminga" wrote:

Thanks Yoop.....and you are right. With what i'm going through right now, getting worked up is the worse thing i can do.
I just have a problem TRYING to understand the lack of logical thinking.

"Cheesey" wrote:

Don't try to understand that which you can NEVER understand.

I'm a Yooper too! And non-Yoopers will NEVER understand Yooper logic, not even Cheeseheads! :icon_smile:

"yooperfan" wrote:

Where in the UP do you live?
I lived for a couple of years in Pembine Wisconsin, and worked at Mr. Donut in Iron Mountain. BEAUTIFUL area!!!

Cheesey
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#109

"oskarliminga" wrote:

"Cheesey" wrote:

So....when Wolf did a good move, he was a genius....when Ted Thompson does it, he's "lucky?" Man.......to me thats just ignoring the truth because you don't WANT to give any credit to Ted Thompson.
Wolf got Reggie........Ted Thompson got Woodson and Pickett........Ted Thompson just got "lucky" again, right?
Oh....and Wolf took several years to build the Packers to where they won the Super Bowl. But you arn't willing to allow Ted Thompson to have the time needed?

To me its unreal how some will dissmiss good moves by our current GM based only on the fact they hate the guy.
Ted Thompson got Rodgers.........a guy who threw 28 TD's, and only 13 ints, over 4000 yards in his first season on the field.
Damn......that Ted Thompson is just "lucky!" He has NO idea what he's doing.

"oskarliminga" wrote:

If you're going to compare Favre circa 1995 and Reggie circa 1995 with Woodson and Picket, please sit down. There's no comparison.

As for A-Rod; yes he had a great year statistically, but he was still 6-10, No hit on A-Rod. But he's still 6-10.

As for Ted not having the time needed as opposed to Wolf? Do some research. And stop using the word "hate". Its intellectually insulting to those of us who are are using logic and reason to counter your blind allegiance to Ted Thompson.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

I'm coparing the fact that Ted Thompson does go after FA's. There hasn't been anyone CLOSE to White as far as FA's of late.
Favre was someone no one wanted. Wolf got him.
I'm just saying Wolf didn't build the Packers into a winner instantly, it took time.
All i want is a fair amount of time for TT. Thats not blind allegiance, thats just being fair.
As the old saying goes, "Rome wasn't built in a day" and neither will the Packers be. But the foundation is there.
Now......like i said.....if we tank this coming season, THEN i will judge Ted Thompson accordingly.
I'm JUST trying to be fair to the guy.
It's NOT like he's been Matt Millen. He HAS made some great moves. But NO GM gets them all right. Not ONE.

Oh....and i will get a email off to you tomorrow! :thumbleft:

blueleopard
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#110

I'm sick of the 90's comparisons.

How many times do you guys have to be reminded that our coaching staff consisted of Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Fritz Shermur, Steve Mariucci, Jon Gruden?

They deserve just as much credit, if not more, than the General Managers who are overseeing things. The coaches make the players who they are. The coaches make the players understand teamwork. The coaches make the players reach their limitless potential.

You can say Wolf went out and signed Reggie White. If you all remember, NOBODY thought that was going to happen. In fact, it was out of the question. He just joined us because it was his gut feeling. White got a lot of criticism for joining the Packers. Remember that.

Thompson has developed the core of this team. He drafted Aaron Rodgers. He drafted Greg Jennings. He signed Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett, both of whom were great players who also just happened to have the best year of their careers while being a member of this team. He spent money on Marquand Manuel and he flopped. We were a 5-5 football team and he was going to trade for Tony Gonzalez, and then Carl Peterson said no.

Thompson's been trying to make the team better, and all he ever gets are invitations to firetedthompson.com.

Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings

Nonstopdrivel
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16 years ago

#111

The coaches make the players who they are.

"blueleopard" wrote:

While that is certainly true, the reverse is equally true. Great players, as well as a number of factors that loosely fall under the category of "luck" -- seasons relatively free of major injuries, weak schedules, and that mystical phenomenon known as team chemistry or synergy -- make otherwise good coaches look great too.

blueleopard
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#112

Definitely. But the fact of the matter is the coaching staff we had in the mid-90's is an example of something that can never ever be emulated. That's as all-star as it gets.

When was the last time the Super Bowl champion had the #1 offense, #1 defense, and #1 special teams in the NFL?

1996. The Green Bay Packers.

Coaching isn't a matter of luck. It's a matter of knowing what you have and "moving forward" from there. That's what McCarthy has been trying to do for these three years.

Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings

Nonstopdrivel
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#113

You're right. But those factors I labeled "luck" can and do affect outcomes. No coach with sub-par assets can work miracles. For example, to use an exaggerated example, even if a coach as great as Lombardi himself were forced to field a team of high schoolers against any team in the NFL (even the Lions), no amount of inspiration or good coaching could overcome the talent deficit.

Am I saying things like injuries matter? Yeah. Absolutely.

dhpackr
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#114

This is a serious question, Why would Peppers want to came to Green Bay? He will probably get offers from many teams, some who made the play-offs this year.
The other thing is what makes anyone think Ted Thompson is going to offer any FA with Peppers talent enough money to make him come here?

He hasn't done it in the past, why should he do it now?

Please prove me wrong Ted.

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:

I think Ted Thompson will not make any effort to sign peppers in the off season.

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go.pack.go.
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16 years ago

#115

"dhpackr" wrote:

I think Ted Thompson will not make any effort to sign peppers in the off season.

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:

Hopefully he won't...

warhawk
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Ted Thompson is going to listen to his coaches and hear what attributes players need to work in the systems implemented.

There will be players in this upcoming draft that have played in various schemes that really did not allow them to utilize their strenghs but who may physically have all the tools to be great in what WE will be doing.

Ted's job is to match the job description his coaches lay out and then find the players and this is much more difficult than just looking at who everybody is saying are great players.

As far as Peppers the same goes. He may feel he could be great in a 3-4 but on the other hand he will be getting paid mega-bucks with no track record as it relates to what WE will be doing. There's certainly enough film and knowledge of this guy for Capers to look at him and tell if he would be a fit.

My point is it's not all about what Ted Thompson decides. He's getting imput from his coaches so while those that don't like him want to throw him under the bus for every FA he doesn't sign I hate to say this but you don't know SQUAT compared to the coaches giving Ted their take on various players.

Our FRINGE understanding of all that goes into decision making at that level doesn't make Ted Thompson an idiot when he passes on players whether it be the draft or FA.

"The train is leaving the station."

ILikeThePackers39
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My point is it's not all about what Ted Thompson decides. He's getting imput from his coaches so while those that don't like him want to throw him under the bus for every FA he doesn't sign I hate to say this but you don't know SQUAT compared to the coaches giving Ted their take on various players.

"warhawk" wrote:

+1 for this point specifically. God forbid you actually point it out, but it's pretty amusing how we fans seem to think we know more about football than the people who've dedicated their lives to it and who actually collect paychecks for it.

Then again, it's the internet, where everyone can be a genius. <shrugs>

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zombieslayer
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"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:

ILike - Just because people get paid to do something doesn't mean they're always right. I don't know why I have to keep saying this over and over and over again.

Quick example, which is really sad. A woman my wife used to work with felt lumps in her breasts. The doctor checked them out and said they were nothing. For a second time a few months, she went back and asked them to check them again. Turns out they were cancerous and she lost both breasts. Well, after losing both of them, the cancer had spread. Now she's dead.

But no, she was just a stupid person who didn't get paid to do that so of course she didn't know what she was talking about. The doctor is always right, because he not only gets paid to do it, he spent 8 years prior to getting paid studying. I doubt anyone on any team's management staff spent 8 years in college studying football before getting an NFL job.

So, the layman is always wrong. We're just all stupid people who don't get paid to do this. The people who get paid are always right. Always.

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Zombie,

Ineptitude exists in every avenue of employment...particularly government, if I do say so myself....but you make a point based on the assumed ineptitude of the professional (Packers' coaches/scouts) and the assumed savant nature of a bunch of idiots (us fans) to make your point...which is in and of itself unfair.

I think it is safe to say that, barring complete ineptitude, pro coaches/scouts know a WHOLE lot more about that business than us.

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zombieslayer
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"digsthepack" wrote:

Agreed.

But...

I'm using an extreme example to make a simple point - sometimes the layman is right and the "experts" are wrong.

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