nerdmann
9 years ago

I don't know that we'll be "fine" he's got a good arm and decent mobility. I just question his decision making. If only we could have fused him and Flynn together. Then we'd have the best back up QB ever!

Originally Posted by: FLORIDA PACKER88 



I'd take him over Seneca Wallace, Graham Harrell and probably Flynn too.
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musccy
9 years ago
The Packers have invested 2 years in Tolzien who even we can see has made big strides. Of all the positions on the team, QB didn't rank near the top of "need."

We can only guess where Ted ranked him but 31 other teams let him slide to the 5th round.

Both of us like him, the pick, and the possible reward he provides, so I agree it was a tremendous value pick, much like AR a decade ago.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

The Packers have invested 2 years in Tolzien who even we can see has made big strides. Of all the positions on the team, QB didn't rank near the top of "need."

We can only guess where Ted ranked him but 31 other teams let him slide to the 5th round.

Both of us like him, the pick, and the possible reward he provides, so I agree it was a tremendous value pick, much like Aaron Rodgers a decade ago.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Packers invested three years in Graham Harrell. Golden Graham. Not a big deal. Tolzien didn't win for us. We NEEDED someone who could. Hundley has upside Scott doesn't.


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musccy
9 years ago

Packers invested three years in Graham Harrell. Golden Graham. Not a big deal. Tolzien didn't win for us. We NEEDED someone who could. Hundley has upside Scott doesn't.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Tolzien is a much better player than Graham, though...I feel that's easy to see.

We're nitpicking over something we ultimately both agree on...it's a good thing to have Hundley on the roster.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

Tolzien is a much better player than Graham, though...I feel that's easy to see.

We're nitpicking over something we ultimately both agree on...it's a good thing to have Hundley on the roster.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



This was never about Hundley...it was about BPA or need drafting. I think we agree that we draft the BPA according to our need. We don't just draft the BPA.


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musccy
9 years ago

This was never about Hundley...it was about BPA or need drafting. I think we agree that we draft the BPA according to our need. We don't just draft the BPA.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



For a quick summary, yeah, I'd agree. Ted can say they're strictly bpa, but 2 corners in 2 picks this draft and all defense in 2012 I believe (?) show they're not literally bpa.
Zero2Cool
9 years ago

This was never about Hundley...it was about BPA or need drafting. I think we agree that we draft the BPA according to our need. We don't just draft the BPA.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I'm not sure what this has to do with Scott Tolzien, but oh well. The Packers draft the best player available by THEIR chart. Recall in 2009 where Michael Crabtree and B.J. Raji were both available -- at what was it ninth overall? -- and the Packers took Raji. I think I even read that Thompson had Crabtree a slight edge over Raji. The Packers followed their chart or board whichever you want to call it and took the best player available because the DL was thin, and WR was not.

As for the topic here, because I like topics ... Tolzien looks like a different dude back there. The thing I didn't care much for about him was the deer in headlights look on the field. That has diminished or been marginalized down enough where he actually is looking somewhat confident back there.
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Porforis
9 years ago

As for the topic here, because I like topics ... Tolzien looks like a different dude back there. The thing I didn't care much for about him was the deer in headlights look on the field. That has diminished or been marginalized down enough where he actually is looking somewhat confident back there.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Absolutely. He's always had the arm strength, his two issues were consistency and not panicking in the pocket (which might be related to consistency issues). He was a lot more consistent throwing the ball and seemed to be a lot more poised in the pocket with bodies coming towards him from multiple angles.

Too bad we have ARod, I'd be excited to see this kid start in another year or two if he keeps growing. But he'll end up going to another team, or just waste his career away on our bench (which I could live with too, but if the kid can start, let him start)
Zero2Cool
9 years ago

Too bad we have ARod, I'd be excited to see this kid start in another year or two if he keeps growing.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I would love to see the reaction of the fan bases of about two dozen NFL teams after reading this. 😂
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uffda udfa
9 years ago
I have no idea why I even entered this topic? I thought I was debating BPA vs. NEED in another thread. Sorry.

musccy and I talk to each other when it's deader at night...I must've clicked into this topic thinking I was in a different one.
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