DoddPower
9 years ago

COMPLETELY disagree. Ted Thompson would be a horrific GM if he didn't do BOTH.

If Neal is the equal or near equal of Starks, Starks will likely get waived. Why pay more for the same or near same? Who does that that you know of? Why would a GM of the storied Packers not try to save a mil if he could? That would be bad management.

What do you think would happen to James if he had to play FULL TIME if Lacy went down. How good would his number of games played look? Ironically, the 13 and 16 came AFTER Lacy arrived and he didn't have to be counted on.

The best argument is to say Neal got hurt last year so he might be no better than Starks in that arena, but at least he'd be a mil cheaper.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



If a player shows he's every bit as good as Starks or better, or course his job would be in danger (although I would still expect him to stick around for another year as a #3 RB). I think most people are arguing that he is clearly the second best running back on the Green Bay Packers at this moment. I haven't seen anything so far to disagree with that opinion. That could change, but I doubt it. Worse case, Starks would still make a great #3 RB for this upcoming season.
DarkaneRules
9 years ago
Well they've got at least two weeks to try the other guys in more situations they use Starks in. I still think it's 50/50 whether Starks stays or not, but this has been the most intriguing question asked on here recently in my opinion. Digging the conversation.
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buckeyepackfan
9 years ago

I think that's probably the mistake... you're looking at the money... while the Packers look at the players on the field.



He isn't going to get less injury prone? ... then why was last year his first year playing all 16 games?

Since 2012 he seems to be getting less injury prone...

2012: 6 games
2013: 13 games
2014: 16 games


Originally Posted by: beast 



Whatever facts you post Uffda is going to disagree with you.

His spin is always the same.

Whatever, in his mind, makes Ted Thompson look bad , that is where he will go.

Even if it means arguing with himself.

James Starks is in his last year of his contract.

He isn't going anywhere.

Next year he will be replaced by Neal or Harris or someone else, at a lower cost.

Ted Thompson Will once again make Uffda look foolish..


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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Whatever facts you post Uffda is going to disagree with you.

His spin is always the same.

Whatever, in his mind, makes Ted Thompson look bad , that is where he will go.

Even if it means arguing with himself.

James Starks is in his last year of his contract.

He isn't going anywhere.

Next year he will be replaced by Neal or Harris or someone else, at a lower cost.

Ted Thompson Will once again make Uffda look foolish..

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Do you know what a fact is? The rebuttal to his "fact" was a "fact". So, yes...I agree that what was typed was a fact but why it's a fact is just as relevant and I factually put that out there.
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beast
9 years ago

If a player shows he's every bit as good as Starks or better, or course his job would be in danger

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 


The wording brought up pretty stupid... because it can be said about almost any players.

yes if another players showed they're just as good or better than Starks then his job could be in danger....

If Adams and Monty showed up and look better than Nelson and Cobb then their job could be in danger...
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DoddPower
9 years ago

The wording brought up pretty stupid... because it can be said about almost any players.

yes if another players showed they're just as good or better than Starks then his job could be in danger....

If Adams and Monty showed up and look better than Nelson and Cobb then their job could be in danger...

Originally Posted by: beast 



Yeah, more over-the-top nonsensical rhetorical hyperbole.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

Yeah, more over-the-top nonsensical rhetorical hyperbole.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



More labeling and deflecting...if Adams and 88 cent are stars... Cobb and Nelson aren't going anywhere.

Hawk never left because there was too much dead money. It wasn't about performance with Hawk, it was about his contract that's why he stuck and played. He was horrible but his contract made him almost uncuttable. Same kinda deal with Cutler in Chicago. No Bears fan wants him as their starter but he ain't going anywhere because he's paid too much.

I asked a simple question because I think it's relevant and entirely possible. I wanted to hear the thoughts of the members here but somehow I'm a baiting troll and full of hyperbole for bringing up something that very well could happen or should at least be a consideration for this org.

Should never be baffled by any of your replies but I'm human and make the mistake of being so.

EDIT: Go back and look at my old posts...I KNEW we weren't getting rid of Hawk due to money. I knew this was the year we could FINALLY move on and waited for it with baited breath. Same with Tramon... was hoping we might do it last year but we weren't quite there yet. I was certain we would move on this year and we did even though we almost brought him back for peanuts in comparison.

James may go. Don't be surprised if he departs. Can't wait to see Neal hopefully get a shot with the 1's. I like Starks, always have, but I like Neal, too. Neal offers an element James doesn't in pass game. Not sure Neal isn't a better option even at same money. Saving a mil and keeping maybe better player? No brainer. The "he was our RB when we won the SB" stuff has to be let go of.
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beast
9 years ago

Ted Thompson would be a horrific GM if he didn't do BOTH.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



So you think Thompson is a horrific GM? .... What's new?

If Neal is the equal or near equal of Starks, Starks will likely get waived.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



That's probably wrong... if they're close they'll both be kept... as the Packers normally keep 3 RBs.

Why pay more for the same or near same?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Because some people believe in keeping the best players.... which is something I thought you yourself have argued for in other threads.

What do you think would happen to James if he had to play FULL TIME if Lacy went down. How good would his number of games played look? Ironically, the 13 and 16 came AFTER Lacy arrived and he didn't have to be counted on.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Now you're just changing the argument to better favorite you instead of sticking with the first point that Starks has remained more healthy in recent years. Yes in large part because of Lacy has been the starter but guess what, as of right now Lacy is still the starter so that's clearly part of the argument as I don't think any of us believe Starks is about to beat out Lacy.




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beast
9 years ago

if Adams and 88 cent are stars... Cobb and Nelson aren't going anywhere.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



and neither is Starks... that's the point. As long as Cobb and Nelson are part of the top 5 WRs they're going to make the roster and as long as Starks is part of the top 3 RBs then they aren't going anywhere.

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uffda udfa
9 years ago

So you think Thompson is a horrific GM? .... What's new?



That's probably wrong... if they're close they'll both be kept... as the Packers normally keep 3 RBs.



Because some people believe in keeping the best players.... which is something I thought you yourself have argued for in other threads.



Now you're just changing the argument to better favorite you instead of sticking with the first point that Starks has remained more healthy in recent years. Yes in large part because of Lacy has been the starter but guess what, as of right now Lacy is still the starter so that's clearly part of the argument as I don't think any of us believe Starks is about to beat out Lacy.



Originally Posted by: beast 



You mystify me. Ted Thompson WOULD be a HORRIFIC GM if he didn't look at cost and performance. I will guarantee he does do both. Instead of admitting that's what he does, you went cheap and low and said that I think he's horrific. Nope. Didn't say that at all. You did.

The argument is not changed at all with Starks. James is never going to beat out Eddie. So, if Eddie goes down he would then be the what? STARTER. How has James held up when he's had to carry it alot? Answer: Not very good. How in the world you think I changed the argument is almost as puzzling as you saying I think Ted Thompson is horrific. Have never said that ever on this forum much less here. Starks has remained healthy BECAUSE OF EDDIE LACY...Eddie goes on IR what happens to James durability? What do you think? Your arguments go surface deep and look no further. You made a statement that James had great health the past two years. True. Why is it true? When hit with the fact of why it's true you folded your argument and started saying I changed mine. Nope. Argument is what it was from the beginning because I know what is likely to happen IF James has to go full time.

When you look at Scott Tolzien what do you see? If you see a guy who looks good vs. 2nd teamers and are excited about him I guess that is one way to look at it. You can't think of terms of how he is there...the only thing that matter is how he's going to be if Aaron goes down. Will we win with him? I don't care if he's better than Seneca Wallace or Matt Flynn or whomever...if he fails when he's called upon we still have junk at backup QB. We need a guy who can win some games if need be not one that can lose them because even Seneca could do that. The parallel in this ramble is that you could say Scott Tolzien is some big improvement at backup QB. True. However it wouldn't make a lick of difference if he's not good enough when called upon. If James Starks is not injured because he isn't playing that doesn't matter...what matters is what happens when he might have to be called upon for full time duty. Yet, I think in your mind you see these events as completely independent of one another. I don't know how but...


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