Fans-Favre love undeniable, but what about Favrefranchise's?

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

While the relationship between Favre, whom the Packers traded to the New York Jets in August 2008 before seeing him play against them as a member of the Minnesota Vikings in 2009 and ’10, has clearly improved, there’s reason to wonder if things are as hunky-dory with the team and Favre as things are with the fans.

Jason Wilde wrote:

It does sound like it's a baby step, but I think there's a ways to go.

From Favre not attending the Packers Hall of Fame golf outing last Monday (he went to Los Angeles for Wednesday’s ESPYs early); to the Packers not allowing Favre to have his flag-football game at Lambeau Field (the club cited field concerns); to Favre indicating he wouldn’t be coming back to Green Bay anytime soon after Thanksgiving night (unless, he joked, the Packers host a volleyball tournament); to Favre – intentionally or inadvertently – giving current GM Ted Thompson short schrift in his induction speech (he mentioned Thompson only in passing and didn’t mention current quarterback Aaron Rodgers at all); to that lavender dress shirt Favre wore with his suit (not quite Minnesota Vikings purple, but still curious); there were some curiosities about just how reconciled the two sides truly are.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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Cheesey
Preferred Member

9 years ago

Seems like a lot of "behind the grassy knoll!" stuff. If you look for negatives, you WILL find them.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Seems like a lot of "behind the grassy knoll!" stuff. If you look for negatives, you WILL find them.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

This could be true, but there is some evidence there. And based on the recent past, it seems reasonable to me. My perspective is that Favre obviously loves Green Bay, Lambeau field, all his old teammates, and the time he had as a Packer. But I do think he still holds a grudge against some combination of Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, Mark Murphy, Aaron Rodgers, or anything else somewhat involved in the situation. That's just conjecture, but as I said, there's some indication there.

Based on the past, it's much more likely that it would be true than not.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

9 years ago

I don't doubt that there are still some hurt feelings. But why concentrate so much on what are only what we might think and yet don't have any idea if it's true?
It was a special night, why concentrate on negatives that we don't even know if they have any truth to them?
I guess I'm blind to all the "hidden meanings".
I just enjoyed the reunion.

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Seems like a lot of "behind the grassy knoll!" stuff. If you look for negatives, you WILL find them.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Exactly...I'm not agologizing for Bert, but we're hunting preconceived notions. He didnt kiss Ted's ass...fine. GB isn't a vacation destination for him...big deal, it's not for a lot of people. He wore an off purple shirt...I hate the Queens but went to UWSP and competed for them in purple.

Hate him for his myriad other mistakes but this weekend he was fine.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

As it has for many years, it baffles me anyone thinks Brett dislikes Aaron or that he ever did . But, maybe those who were less than happy that Brett didn't mention Aaron while at his Packer Hall of Fame induction and at his Jersey retirement ceremony will be pleased to read these few tweeters. 😁

DoddPower
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Hate him for his myriad other mistakes but this weekend he was fine.

Originally Posted by: musccy

I think the items can't be separated. These recent items are just more things piled on the list.

I personally don't "hate" him. The only NFL players I hate are the likes of Michael Vick and other players who abuse animals, women, or commit horrible crimes. A dick-pic is a dick pic. Many of us have done something similar. And was that ever actually definitively proved that was Favre, anyway? The NFL drama is what it is, but it's not something I'll hang on to forever. I've wanted Favre and the Packers to make-up for months now. I think it's good for everyone involved. But none of that changes the ultimate point which is there is still likely some animosity there. That may not mean anything, but it is what it is.

I haven't necessarily "forgiven" Favre, but I've moved on. It's just not important enough for me to care very much, even though Favre was the main reason I became a Packers fan from North Carolina. That and they have the same colors as the schools I went to and played for. But I'll never be a huge fan of his like I was before. That's OK, though, we now have Aaron Rodgers! 🙂

Cheesey
Preferred Member

9 years ago

So many so called "reports" that Favre and Rodgers don't get along......yet there is no PROOF of that.
Yes, I'm SURE there was tension when both were still here. That's normal. A guy comes in that you are pretty sure is going to take your job, that's a hard thing to accpept.
The Packers were getting the yearly "Will he, won't he" retire stuff. (I was watching the Monday niight game in Oakland the day after Favre's Dad died, which was in 2003, and they were talking about Favre talking about retireing) So finally, the Packers felt it was time to move on, or chance losing Rodgers. Turns out they made a good choice. Favre did have a couple decent seasons left when he left here, but he was for sure nearing the end. GB had to prepare for the future, and Rodgers was the guy they wanted to do it.

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

I think the items can't be separated. These recent items are just more things piled on the list.

I personally don't "hate" him.

I haven't necessarily "forgiven" Favre, but I've moved on. It's just not important enough for me to care very much, even though Favre was the main reason I became a Packers fan from North Carolina. That and they have the same colors as the schools I went to and played for. But I'll never be a huge fan of his like I was before. That's OK, though, we now have Aaron Rodgers! =)

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

"hate" is too strong of a word...your emotions more or less mimic mine, but I still disagree with you that you can't compartmentalize the way you view him. I'm never going to forget about the repeated retirement drama, narcissism, and off-the-field issues but my blood pressure no longer rises thinking about it. Saturday wasn't celebrating his angelic traits, it was recognizing the good he did on the field for the team which can't be denied.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#10

Originally Posted by: musccy

I'm not saying that one cannot compartmentalize. That's exactly what I do. I can appreciate what Brett did on the field while knowing that he's not the best guy. The point above was that it's not just about the recent conspiracy items (purple shirt, not much love for current organization, etc. etc.) but also all of the things that happened in the past. The conspiracy items alone aren't much, but when cumulatively added to everything that happened in the past, it does leave some doubt for many. Maybe an easier way to say it is that Favre likely shouldn't get much benefit of the doubt in these situations. At least not yet. I think he still need to show the current organization some things. The same applies for Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, et al. If everyone has truly moved on, make that abundantly clear so we can all forget about it entirely.

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