Man, do you ever butcher things, Buck. It's how you have to deal with me, I guess.

What I said was Cobb probably could've been had for a deal of around 5-6 million per after his shortened 2013 season.

I have DOGMATICALLY STATED and will continue doing so that there is NO WAY we would've had to pay him anywhere near 10 million after the 2013 season to extend him. We made the MISTAKE of letting him play out his contract and for doing so we WAYYYYYY overpaid what we should've had we been smart enough to lock him up after 2013 season. Those are undeniable facts. Randall wasn't getting anywhere near 10 million from us after that season. We offered him a joke of a deal because he didn't sign.

Spin it away and restate what I've stated all day all night.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

What makes you think that Cobb would have even thought about accepting a $5-6 million deal???

Even for you, this attempt at blaming the Packers front office is a joke.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 

I'm not the one spinning here buddy, You are the one who stated you had sources telling you Ted overpaid for Cobb.
I want you to name those sources.

7 more pages to go!

Every Media sour e I have read have given Ted and The Packers one if the highest if not the highest off season grade of any team.

You obviously have other sources . WHO ARE THEY?

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 

No, you said The Packers overspent on Cobb letting him hit Free Agency.

You said you had sources telling you Ted could have offered Cobb 5mil and Cobb would have signed.

WHO ARE THOSE SOURCES?

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 

Again, keep making things up and asking me over and over to back up things I never said. That's fine, Buck. I hope you feel better. You're doing a bang up job trying to keep the focus off the fact our org shelled out millions more to two players by not signing them a year ahead of time. I know, I know you want to reserve your silly fantasy that it was some incredible work and offseason by our org and want it to be the best offfseason of any NFL team. It is what you thrive on. Silliness that has no basis in any reality anywhere. Think. Think. Think. Do NFL franchises save money or lose money by extending star players a year before they hit the market or do they pay MORE when they do because 31 others can now negotiate with them. A remedial question that will blow your fantasy to bits but change what I've said and tell me I'm wrong for 8 pages. It changes nothing.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

I didn't see him say he had sources. All I saw was a fairy tale that Cobb could have been signed long term for $5M/yr following the 2013 season when he missed 10 games due to injury.

Here is ufdah's entire argument:

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Originally Posted by: greengold 

Again, keep making things up and asking me over and over to back up things I never said. That's fine, Buck. I hope you feel better. You're doing a bang up job trying to keep the focus off the fact our org shelled out millions more to two players by not signing them a year ahead of time. I know, I know you want to reserve your silly fantasy that it was some incredible work and offseason by our org and want it to be the best offfseason of any NFL team. It is what you thrive on. Silliness that has no basis in any reality anywhere. Think. Think. Think. Do NFL franchises save money or lose money by extending star players a year before they hit the market or do they pay MORE when they do because 31 others can now negotiate with them. A remedial question that will blow your fantasy to bits but change what I've said and tell me I'm wrong for 8 pages. It changes nothing.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

It depends on the player. If you are talking about BJ Raji then they pay a significant amount less it seems. As far as Cobb goes even if they somehow signed him to something like a 3 year (like Jordy and Jennings signed) 7m a year deal after 2013 it doesn't really save all that much because of the extra 6m you pay in 2014, it would have to have been significantly less. The F.A.C.T is that you have absolutely no clue what they actually offered him or what he was looking for that he actually would have signed.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

Consensus? So, what? Demovsky talked to who exactly? Who is defined within "consensus"?

You do realize that if a team extends their players BEFORE they hit their contract year they pay SIGNIFICANTLY less, right? Cobb is the perfect example. Cobb gambled on himself and won, huge. Both of these players could've been had for half of what they ended up with but we paid double and get praised? Ok.

As for the draft? I recall the Vikings Troy Williamson draft. Praised as an "A"...go look it up. Then look at the regrade... 3 years later...F. What someone says about your draft right now is irrelevant and that shouldn't be confusing to anyone who has followed the NFL at all.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

Where the hell am I making things up?

Your very 1st post!

READ IT!

What the hell is half of 10mil?

Now you want to give me The names of your sources so I can double check with them.?

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 

I know what I wrote. I do believe had we offered them around half of what they ended up getting we could've had them. I know for a FACT we wouldn't have paid anywhere near what we ended up paying.

It's just so incredibly comical to see you respond to me. My point in typing all of this in the first place was that it is beyond dumb to be getting all excited about our off season and hailing our management for doing such a tremendous job bragging that we won free agency this year. We lost. We lost...big. Neither of those guys should've been in position to cash in like they did. I still think Bulaga shouldn't have been given an extension period given his horrific injury history and certainly not at 7 mil per. Cobb has been my main focus... that guy should've never ever ever sniffed 10 million. He only sniffed it because our org was too cheap to give him a very good offer back in 2013. We lost there. We lost millions. Conversely, we were brilliant on Aaron Rodgers years and years ago...we realized how great he was going to be and paid him a very good but not mega deal to extend him. That is EXACTLY the kind of thing we should've done with Randall that we didn't do but you don't get that at all and want to focus on something that doesn't really matter at all.

I get it, it is so much more fun to wave your Packer pennant and tell the world that your team won free agency and what a great job it did even though that isn't the truth. It's the exact opposite. Ol' uu tells you the truth and you go crazy. Had both of those guys walked you would be praising the org for how smart it was for not paying so much out to them. The org can't lose with Buck...he believes they're perfect and never wrong. They were wrong on Cobb...very wrong and they paid way too much because of it. Now get back to fantasy celebrating. Crank up some 1999 from Prince and shuffle, brother.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa