uffda udfa
10 years ago

Demovsky says the consensus around the NFL is the Packers did great in free agency and the draft. But I read on here that the Packers suck in free agency and drafting. I'm so confused, I don't know what to believe. 🙄

Originally Posted by: greengold 



Consensus? So, what? Demovsky talked to who exactly? Who is defined within "consensus"?

You do realize that if a team extends their players BEFORE they hit their contract year they pay SIGNIFICANTLY less, right? Cobb is the perfect example. Cobb gambled on himself and won, huge. Both of these players could've been had for half of what they ended up with but we paid double and get praised? Ok.

As for the draft? I recall the Vikings Troy Williamson draft. Praised as an "A"...go look it up. Then look at the regrade... 3 years later...F. What someone says about your draft right now is irrelevant and that shouldn't be confusing to anyone who has followed the NFL at all.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

Demovsky says the consensus around the NFL is the Packers did great in free agency and the draft. But I read on here that the Packers suck in free agency and drafting. I'm so confused, I don't know what to believe. 🙄

Originally Posted by: greengold 



You can only be confused if you listen to the drivel. Focus on the gooder stuff, like this. The Packers re-signed one of the top available free agent Tackles and one of the top Wide Receivers and that is vastly better than most teams did this free agency. The draft is another beast that we need at least a few years, personally, I go to three before analyzing it in depth.


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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago
Well I'm. Confused.

Ted signed Cobb as. FA for 40mil, but could of had him for 20mil?

One year earlier Ted extended Jordy for 40mil(approx).

Why didn't Jordy just wait to hit the market?

He would have been worth 80mil.

That's twice the extended price.

Once again Ted makes the right moves and makes some look really foolish.


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Bigbyfan
10 years ago


As for the draft? I recall the Vikings Troy Williamson draft. Praised as an "A"...go look it up. Then look at the regrade... 3 years later...F. What someone says about your draft right now is irrelevant and that shouldn't be confusing to anyone who has followed the NFL at all.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You're right... A perfect example would be when you said last year's draft was one of the worst you've seen. That obviously didn't end up being the case.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

You're right... A perfect example would be when you said last year's draft was one of the worst you've seen. That obviously didn't end up being the case.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



Worst I've seen? Oh, I've seen worse...a lot worse.

You still can't say how our draft last year turned out...yet. Some guys you think are good now might turn out terrible...some that were no factor might be studs. No way to know for sure.

I loved the picks of Abby, Bradford and Janis and was okay with Linsley... was okay with Dix, hated the Adams pick, hated Richard Rodgers pick and really didn't have much of a good feeling about Thornton.

Yes, I wasn't crazy about the last draft but saying worst I've seen? I don't think so. The top portion of the draft was very disappointing to me.

Sorry, Cobb could've been had for around 5 mil a year prior to his breakout season last year. We wanted to see if he would stay injury free and he did and cashed in DOUBLE. There is no doubt Randall could've been had for about half prior to his contract year starting. Bulaga could've been had for a lot less, also...I would say 4 million is something he would've jumped at. Team, again, wanted to see him stay healthy he did...he cashed in. See a pattern? We were afraid to extend for injury reasons which is a good cautious approach, but we paid handsomely for not assuming the risk and shouldn't be praised for paying what we paid to retain player we could've had for far, far, less.
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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago
Sorry Uffda, not gonna bite on this one.
You made an idiot statement.
10 pages later it will be the same OLE same OLE.

Find a new hobby
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

Consensus? So, what? Demovsky talked to who exactly? Who is defined within "consensus"?

You do realize that if a team extends their players BEFORE they hit their contract year they pay SIGNIFICANTLY less, right? Cobb is the perfect example. Cobb gambled on himself and won, huge. Both of these players could've been had for half of what they ended up with but we paid double and get praised? Ok.

As for the draft? I recall the Vikings Troy Williamson draft. Praised as an "A"...go look it up. Then look at the regrade... 3 years later...F. What someone says about your draft right now is irrelevant and that shouldn't be confusing to anyone who has followed the NFL at all.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



"Y so negative all the time? Laugh" (I say this as maybe one of your biggest supporters hahahaha)

Signing players early/Signing players late/Not signing them at all: It's kinda a crapshoot in a lot of cases. Cobb and Bulaga both IMO needed to show they could stay healthy before getting signed - and in the case of Cobb, I think the wait time was more his doing than the team's.

I agree with pretty much all of your analysis of the previous draft; This one not so much, though. The picking of the 2 DBs was a great combination of need and athletic potential, and I expect in 3 years to see the draft praised and graded high.

The big point of controversy of this and every off-season was avoiding like the plague the market for other teams' free agents, and this is one area where I generally support Ted Thompson.

Positive and thankful as I am for this Packer team in general, though, I will say this: if the Packers really did better than anybody else in the NFL this off-season, then nobody musta done very damn good. I see the Packers as doing what one of the most talented teams should do, not getting any worse and drafting for potential. That, to me, makes it about a C+/B- off-season.



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greengold
10 years ago

Sorry, Cobb could've been had for around 5 mil a year prior to his breakout season last year. We wanted to see if he would stay injury free and he did and cashed in DOUBLE. There is no doubt Randall could've been had for about half prior to his contract year starting.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I call bullshit. Cobb wanted NOTHING to do with a lowball extension coming off an injury shortened 2013. Yet you continue to pretend he wanted to extend early for peanuts when he had missed 10 games the year before.

Provide some proof that Randall WANTED to sign a long term contract for $5M a year prior to the 2014 season AND the Packers were unwilling to offer such a contract or STFU.

You making something up then repeating it over and over and over and over does not make it true.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

Sorry Uffda, not gonna bite on this one.
You made an idiot statement.
10 pages later it will be the same OLE same OLE.

Find a new hobby

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



No reason to do so...I'm 100% right. Our cap has about double the charge against, today, for not signing Cobb and Bulaga early. It is supposedly our philosophy to lock players up BEFORE they hit their contract year. That is good practice if the player is ascending. No question Cobb was...he was injured...broken leg...freak deal. No long term issue. I can sincerely and confidently say that it was a major mistake in not extending Randall before he played out his contract.

With Bulaga, I understand the waiting on him because he's held together with duct tape. Giving him big money now is more risky than giving him half of what he would've gotten before his contract year.

The ultimate point is...there is nothing to praise our org for in spending untold millions more than they needed to on two of their own. The spin and lack of logic in praising that is stupefying. Way to go organization...you just spent double what you could have had you done this a year earlier. Yup...hooray. Don't get me wrong...I love that Randall is back. A budding YOUNG star. However, we paid double to protect ourselves. A mistake in hindsight.

Texas...I'm not negative...I'm just not blindly optimistic like most. I don't read some goofy headline about how wonderful our offseason was without running it through some critical thinking first.


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