Announcement PH Beta → Check it out! Click Me! (you might be see "unsafe", but it is safe)
nerdmann
9 years ago

I know who was here...we are draft and develop. I think it was proven Warner would've been far better to develop than Wuerffel, oops, I mean Detmer.

Teams don't always make the right decisions. I hope Janis at least gets a fair opportunity to showcase himself.

Hopefully, it is understood exactly why I'm so high on Janis. It isn't as though he's just some run of the mill track guy. He is a very rare breed. Guys like him don't come along often with his measurables in totality. He is a true...FREAK...a word that is thrown around far too often for guys who aren't. This guy is.

That freak showed his freakishness in St. Louie. Wow, baby. Just wow...don't care who it was against. You could see the V-12 that Davante spoke of...pure speed. I have lamented for years we do not ever have a player on our roster who just puts fear into the heart of the defense at WR. We need a field stretcher. Now, we've drafted someone like that in Montgomery who doesn't have near the speed of double J. Perhaps, we drafted Montgomery to bring that dimension as Janis is not trustworthy enough to deliver it.

Jeff Janis is now in Packers lore forever one way the other.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Anyone can look back with hindsight and say we should have kept someone.

We'll see how Janis does. Btw, guys like him DO come around fairly often. It's just rare when they can also play football.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
uffda udfa
9 years ago
Here's Ourlads Top 3 WR's the year Janis came out based on OSR:

WIDE RECEIVERS
1 Cooks, Brandin Oregon State
2 Janis, Jeff Saginaw Valley State
3 Beckham, Odell LSU

Davante Adams? 27th ranked...not much special there.

Pretty interesting that 2 of those 3 had big impacts on their teams. We had one of those 3 very special talents and garaged him while trotting out a guy who wasn't anywhere near as special. Of course, 2 of those guys were 1st rounders and the SVSU guy went in the 7th.

Methodology:

For each position below, we have ranked the players listed by a special Ourlads’ formula we call OSR (Ourlads Statistical Rating). Each workout field is weighted to the importance of the position – i.e.: for quarterbacks – height, the short shuttle, 3 cone drill, and Wonderlic test are the most important. Broad jump, vertical jump, 40-yard dash, and 20-yard dash are also important, but not as important as the first four mentioned. For defensive linemen – emphasis is put on the 10-yard dash (shows first step explosion), short shuttle (shows change of direction quickness), and bench press (for upper body strength), then the height, weight, and speed, etc. These are all tools for evaluation, but nothing takes the place of game day productivity. Some athletes are listed at more than one position. Those who are listed under "Did not work out:" may have completed some drills, but not the ones used in the ratings for that position.
Phil Hepler, our top research and statistical analysis scout, provides our readers with our positional statistical rating that we include in the player reports. Phil's complete formula, however, will remain sealed along with Colonel Sanders' fried chicken recipe.
UserPostedImage
Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


greengold
9 years ago
Here's Ourlads Top 3 WR's the year Randall Cobb came out based on OSR:

WIDE RECEIVERS
1 Jones, Julio Alabama
2 Smith, Torrey Maryland
3 Gates, Edmond Abilene Christian

Randall Cobb? 34th ranked...not much special there.

Pretty interesting that 2 of those 3 had big impacts on their teams. We chose to draft and trot out a guy (Cobb) who wasn't anywhere near as special. We could have drafted a special player like Edmond Clyde Gates.

sschind
9 years ago

Here's Ourlads Top 3 WR's the year Randall Cobb came out based on OSR:

WIDE RECEIVERS
1 Jones, Julio Alabama
2 Smith, Torrey Maryland
3 Gates, Edmond Abilene Christian

Randall Cobb? 34th ranked...not much special there.

Pretty interesting that 2 of those 3 had big impacts on their teams. We chose to draft and trot out a guy (Cobb) who wasn't anywhere near as special. We could have drafted a special player like Edmond Clyde Gates.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



I remember being so pissed when we took Cobb over Gates. He (Gates) was the one guy I was really hoping for out of that draft. Another screw up by mediocre Ted.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

Here's Ourlads Top 3 WR's the year Randall Cobb came out based on OSR:

WIDE RECEIVERS
1 Jones, Julio Alabama
2 Smith, Torrey Maryland
3 Gates, Edmond Abilene Christian

Randall Cobb? 34th ranked...not much special there.

Pretty interesting that 2 of those 3 had big impacts on their teams. We chose to draft and trot out a guy (Cobb) who wasn't anywhere near as special. We could have drafted a special player like Edmond Clyde Gates.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



I love Randall...probably my favorite member of the Green Bay Packers, however, I'll take JJ's athleticism over his. Ceiling is much higher for JJ. May never get there but the potential is there.

The funny thing about what you did up there is Gates went to the Jets...good luck succeeding there. What a great QB situation he went to.

Julio played with Ryan and Torrey got Wacko Flacco.

Janis and Adams BOTH have Rodgers. We shall see how ol' dub J plays when he gets his chance.

You will never know how Gates would've performed in our system.
UserPostedImage
Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


greengold
9 years ago

You will never know how Gates would've performed in our system.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



That's another thing... After Ted Thompson screwed up by not drafting Gates in 2011, he was available in 2012 when the Dolphins cut him. Ted made no attempt to sign him in 2012. When the Jets cut Gates in 2014, Ted Thompson again made no attempt to sign him. We will probably get another chance when the Titans cut him this spring, but of course Ted won't go after a free agent.



greengold
9 years ago

however, I'll take JJ's athleticism over his. Ceiling is much higher for JJ.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Clyde Gates' talent is UNDENIABLE. Gates scored a TOUCHDOWN in his VERY FIRST preaseason game!! Yet stupid Ted Thompson hasn't made a move to grab him when he had the chance in 2011, 2012, or 2014.

Guys with a #27 or #34 "OSR rating" are a dime a dozen. Guys with a "TOP 3 OSR rating" only come around once a year!! We could be showcasing two "TOP 3 OSR rating" WRs in our system by starting Janis and Clyde Gates. Instead we continue to trot out mediocre nothing special #34 rated Cobb and #27 rated Davante Adams.

uffda udfa
9 years ago

Clyde Gates' talent is UNDENIABLE. Gates scored a TOUCHDOWN in his VERY FIRST preaseason game!! Yet stupid Ted Thompson hasn't made a move to grab him when he had the chance in 2011, 2012, or 2014.

Guys with a #27 or #34 "OSR rating" are a dime a dozen. Guys with a "TOP 3 OSR rating" only come around once a year!! We could be showcasing two "TOP 3 OSR rating" WRs in our system by starting Janis and Clyde Gates. Instead we continue to trot out mediocre nothing special #34 rated Cobb and #27 rated Davante Adams.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



Yes...yes...yes! Aren't you excited to see a Top 3 OSR in our O? Just look at Odell Beckham and what he did and he was BEHIND Janis! 😍
UserPostedImage
Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


greengold
9 years ago

Yes...yes...yes! Aren't you excited to see a Top 3 OSR in our O? Just look at Odell Beckham and what he did and he was BEHIND Janis! 😍

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Your "OSR rating" is obviously heavily weighted on pure speed based on combine 40 yd dash time. We have been over that subject ad-nauseum. No, I don't want to see Clyde Gates in the packers offense.

I want to see players who can play football. Davante Adams and Randall Cobb can play football regardless of what the "OSR rating" says. I hope Jeff Janis can play football.
nerdmann
9 years ago



Methodology:

For each position below, we have ranked the players listed by a special Ourlads’ formula we call OSR (Ourlads Statistical Rating). Each workout field is weighted to the importance of the position – i.e.: for quarterbacks – height, the short shuttle, 3 cone drill, and Wonderlic test are the most important. Broad jump, vertical jump, 40-yard dash, and 20-yard dash are also important, but not as important as the first four mentioned. For defensive linemen – emphasis is put on the 10-yard dash (shows first step explosion), short shuttle (shows change of direction quickness), and bench press (for upper body strength), then the height, weight, and speed, etc. These are all tools for evaluation, but nothing takes the place of game day productivity. Some athletes are listed at more than one position. Those who are listed under "Did not work out:" may have completed some drills, but not the ones used in the ratings for that position.
Phil Hepler, our top research and statistical analysis scout, provides our readers with our positional statistical rating that we include in the player reports. Phil's complete formula, however, will remain sealed along with Colonel Sanders' fried chicken recipe.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



In other words, nothing about actually going up and getting the ball.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (23m) : Cowboys starting Trey Lance at QB vs Commanders; GB vs Philly in the Wild Card incoming!
Mucky Tundra (2h) : Stinks for Lloyd. Hoping he comes back strong for next year
Zero2Cool (3-Jan) : Packers placed Marshawn Lloyd on reserve non-football illness list
Zero2Cool (3-Jan) : Luke Getsy been helping Packers defense. He's former OC Bears/Raiders and our old QB coach
beast (2-Jan) : Thanks dfosterf, I'm still kicking myself for last week, as I forgot to change to pick Vikings and Lions... after putting in a holding spot.
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : First alternate: Elgton Jenkins Other alternates: Jordan Love, Kenny Clark, Keisean Nixon, Tucker Kraft, Josh Myers, Jaire Alexander
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : Pro Bowl still a thing? Guess Packers have three. Jacobs, Gary, McKinney.
dfosterf (2-Jan) : It's a mine field with all the players sitting, etc
dfosterf (2-Jan) : There was quite a bit of "chalk" matchups this year it seemed, but not this week coming up
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : Or we got better and by we I mean everyone except me
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : We have about six that by percent would have won nearly any season. I guess 2024 was predictable 🤷
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : You can check previous seasons. I quick did it and don't think anyone hit 70% before
dfosterf (2-Jan) : Hats off to the Beast
dfosterf (2-Jan) : I'm at 71.76% in pick 'em. 2nd place. Beast is at a flat 75% 9 games ahead. That 75% has got to be unprecedented this late in the season
beast (2-Jan) : I don't care deeply, just want some good entertaining games
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : BTW, not serious.
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : You don't care about it either!!!!
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : NIL and Portal killed college, no one cares about it.
Mucky Tundra (2-Jan) : outside of Texas-Arizona St, it's been a snoozefest
beast (2-Jan) : I expect Georgia will change that tomorrow, but we'll have to wait and see. If they do, then only Big 10 and SEC are left.
beast (2-Jan) : So much for Conference Championship meaning something as 100% (so far) of the conference Champions lost their first playoff game.
Zero2Cool (1-Jan) : Jaire had surgery, season over.
Mucky Tundra (1-Jan) : I guess I need a new sig Pic. Boo
Mucky Tundra (1-Jan) : Eric Dickerson approves of this decision
beast (1-Jan) : Eagles are resting RB Saquon Barkley, so there is no chance he breaks the record despite being just 101 yards from it
Zero2Cool (1-Jan) : Patriots are waiving veteran pass rusher Yannick Ngakoue
beast (1-Jan) : Happy New Year's 🥳🎉
beast (31-Dec) : I want to them chant some songs for Daniel Whelan
beast (31-Dec) : Let's win one! Also, hopefully the Irish will stand with Daniel Whelan
Mucky Tundra (31-Dec) : After London and Brazil, I could go without an overseas game for a while
Zero2Cool (31-Dec) : Packers. Steelers. Ireland. 2025. Reports say.
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Matt Lafleur on if Jaire will play again this season. "Yeah I don't know... he's been dealing with swelling."
Mucky Tundra (30-Dec) : After the way they played for most of the game yesterday, I don't see how you can sit anyone for the whole game
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : I'd say play everyone. Going into playoffs at 7th seed on two game lose streak - yucky
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Do the Packers have any best players?
beast (30-Dec) : Play or Rest*
beast (30-Dec) : Should the Packers play or free their best players vs the Bears?
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Packers should be 3 - 2 in the Division. Bonkers being swept by both Lions and Vikings. yikes
go.pack.go. (30-Dec) : All crazy stuff…and good point beast
beast (30-Dec) : Packers should be 0-5 in the division, can't say I saw that coming, even 1-4
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Sam Darnold 35 TD's ... another one
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Baker Mayfield, 39 TD's ... can't say I saw that one
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : No matter who is playing as 7th, I think we want them to win. Get rid of 2nd seed haha
go.pack.go. (30-Dec) : That would be dhazer who was rooting for Minnesota
beast (30-Dec) : Well, Commanders are currently the 6th seed and Packers the 7th
beast (30-Dec) : Who was it in Chat, that wanted the Vikings to win (because Lions fans upset them) because Packers could not lose the 6th seed?
beast (30-Dec) : If Falcons win, Packers stay as the 6th seed and Falcons lead the NFCS, if they lose, Commanders 6th and Bucs take NFCS lead
beast (30-Dec) : Win or Loss, the NFCS is going down to week 18
Mucky Tundra (30-Dec) : if the Falcons win, how does that affect the overall NFC playoff picture? Does it mean that the NFC South comes down to week 18?
beast (30-Dec) : If Commanders win, the Packers drop to the 7th seed
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
27m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

3-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

3-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

3-Jan / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

2-Jan / GameDay Threads / Zero2Cool

2-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

2-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

1-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

31-Dec / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

31-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / go.pack.go.

27-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.