Draft and Develop· Page 4

sschind
Senior Member

9 years ago

LT: 4th round pick
LG: 4th round pick
C: 5th round pick
RG: 4th round pick
RT: 1st round pick

Ted Thompson doesn't know how to draft offensive linemen? Maybe those who whine about blowing 1st round picks on OL every year can close their pie hole. 😝

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

What did those 1st round OL get him? Besides Bulaga, nothing. Note to Ted, don't draft OL before the 4th or WRs after the third (waiting on Janis and Abbredaris)

sschind
Senior Member

9 years ago

#32

Barfan,
I lost count. How many SB did the Vikings win with their successful strategy of trading for Allen?
Let's not forget how dominating the Bears DL was once they signed Allen as a FA!

Hehehehe

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan

That is where you made your first mistake Husker. You started counting in the first place.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#33

Green Bay's OL is nowhere near the best in the NFL and certainly nowhere near as good as the Dallas Cowboys. A few years ago the reputed "rotoworld" had our OL rated above the Niners line. Yup. Sure. At at the time we were rated the best by rotoworld we were more like mid to bottom middle in the NFL.

Lang, Bulaga and Bakhtiari aren't studs. Linsley is only one season in but looks really good and Sitton is excellent in pass protection but got his lunch handed to him every single time he played at Detroit and is not some road grader in the run game.

How Duke could put us above Dallas is beyond me. If our OL was as good as he's saying Eddie Lacy should be challenging 2000 yards each season.

Football Outsiders has us at 8th and Dallas 1st.

I couldn't check PFF as the links were dead/down.

NFL.com had us at 6th.

We're not the best... nowhere near Dallas but since Duke WHO? said we were lets trumpet it and pretend it's true.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#34

So in this alternate universe, did Dungy already win a title in Tampa Bay?

And no one has bothered to comment on your statement because it's nonsense. You're effectively saying, you guys hate the prevent defense so why don't you want more free agents? The two (approach to roster building and game day philosophy) are unrelated. People like what they think is effective (whether they are right or not is another matter). Some here think a conservative approach to roster building is the best way to win titles. Some of those people hate sitting on leads in game. In no way are those two perspectives mutually exclusive.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys

You are trying to change the debate with nonsensical gibberish. A spirit of aggression is something palpable in any walk of life. Go to a golf course...some are aggressive. Drive your car out on the highway, some drive aggressively...go on a date with a woman some are very aggressive... it is no different in football whether a player, HC, or GM. There are those who are aggressive in spirit and those who are not. Ted Thompson is not an aggressive GM and I don't like it. Wolf was an aggressive GM. I prefer an aggressive GM and HC. I loved Harbaugh. It sucks he went to Michigan...I would've loved to see Mike McCarthy blown out for Harbaugh. I admire and respect his approach...it is very un Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson like. Probably why the Niners beat us all the time with him at the helm. The aggressive guy beat the less aggressive ones.

Why his conservative measured approach is hailed all the time here is just baffling. Football is a game of emotion....it is for those sold out to win...living and breathing it. That is not Ted Thompson and I'm not sure how that can be defended?

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

nerdmann
Premier Member

9 years ago

#35

What did those 1st round OL get him? Besides Bulaga, nothing. Note to Ted, don't draft OL before the 4th or WRs after the third (waiting on Janis and Abbredaris)

Originally Posted by: sschind

Ted not only drafts guys, but then loses at least 1/4 of them due to devastating injuries. Yet somehow, he still has guys to get it done.

THANKS TED!

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#36

You are trying to change the debate with nonsensical gibberish.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Earlier in this thread...

In order to redirect this, how many would refer to Ted Thompson as "aggressive" vs. "calm, cool and collected"? This is football...a game of emotions. It drives fans crazy to see our team play not to lose and not aggressively seek winning on the field so why should you be championing that exact approach in Ted Thompson when you hate it in MM?

uffda udfa wrote:

You changed the debate to this topic. By your own admission. You commented on fan perception of MM/TT's conservativeness/aggressiveness. I responded on the topic of fan perception of MM/TT's conservativeness/aggressiveness.

Born and bred a cheesehead

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#37

Earlier in this thread...

You changed the debate to this topic. By your own admission. You commented on fan perception of MM/TT's conservativeness/aggressiveness. I responded on the topic of fan perception of MM/TT's conservativeness/aggressiveness.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys

Yes, and you referred to it as "nonsense" when it makes perfect sense. It's a simple question and very germane to the topic. You then did choose to respond by saying that aggression on the football field and off are not comparable. Wrong. Clay Matthews is an aggressive player as is Mike Daniels. Was AJ Hawk aggressive like Clay or was he more passive? AJ Hawk is the off field equivalent of TT. I want a fiery passionate aggressive sold out to win GM...we don't have anything close to that. If TT's mannerisms represented all the players on our roster... ??? I shudder to think. Where's the passion, TT? Where's the fire to win it all? Where? ...it's...NoWHERE.

Is Ted Thompson an aggressive sort? A simple question you know the answer to but it's easier to avoid looking bad by answering by saying it's..."nonsense".

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Ah, so you agree I didn't change the subject. Glad that's sorted.

I said it was nonsense to hold that if someone dislikes conservatism in one job (coaching) that person must also dislike conservatism in a completely different job (GM'ing).

Clay Matthews is an aggressive player as is Mike Daniels. Was AJ Hawk aggressive like Clay or was he more passive? AJ Hawk is the off field equivalent of TT. I want a fiery passionate aggressive sold out to win GM...we don't have anything close to that. If TT's mannerisms represented all the players on our roster... ??? I shudder to think. Where's the passion, TT? Where's the fire to win it all? Where? ...it's...NoWHERE.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

So we should hire a cheerleader for a GM? Maybe TO can give Ted Thompson some advise on pom pom techniques.

Is Ted Thompson an aggressive sort? A simple question you know the answer to but it's easier to avoid looking bad by answering by saying it's..."nonsense".

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Who here denies Ted Thompson is conservative in his approach to team building? No one's avoiding that statement. Ted Thompson is not aggressive and no one in this forum has ever said as much as far as I can recall.

Born and bred a cheesehead

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#39

If 1 or 2 FAs is good, would not the more be better?

Originally Posted by: Barfarn

Not necessarily, no. You build a roster operating under the constraints of a 53 man roster and a salary cap. In a hypothetical world, maybe you can sign 1 free agent each year without risk of losing young talent due to roster spots and salary being tied up; but if each successive free agent increases the risk of losing young talent, you face diminishing returns with more and more activity in free agency.

Born and bred a cheesehead

cheeseheads123
Member

9 years ago

#40

There is a difference between trying to draft and develop versus successfully drafting and developing.

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