Some are under the erroneous impression that you can get a few free agents that are known, quality commodities, use them for a few years, and then trade them for someone that's the same quality as when you first got them or close enough that some of the rookies you drafted in year 1 and somehow kept on the roster with no playing time are starting quality by the time the free agents leave.

Yes, but nobody ever acknowledges Ted Thompson is a conservative vs. aggressive guy. Those same people who don't acknowledge that go nuts on this forum that the Packers themselves aren't aggressive enough, our D isn't aggressive enough, Mike McCarthy plays to lose not to win, etc. If Ted Thompson is doing the exact same things how is he hailed as some hero of this forum? Oh, those are now mutually exclusive because you do like aggression in football but realize Ted Thompson doesn't have it and have to now say that liking aggression on the field vs. off is not the same thing? Right. Okay. You can't love one mindset for the same game and then not love it within the same game.

Teams take on the characteristics of their leaders...our leaders in the GM and HC world aren't aggressive. I freaking hate it. You guys seem to love winning the division with our wrong approach that isn't maximizing 12's talents. I freaking hate it. It's all entertainment but it's just a shame to see it happen and then see you guys champion the approach because we make the playoffs most years. ANY team with ANY HC and ANY GM should make the playoffs with Aaron Rodgers at the helm. Show me all the teams with QB's like Aaron Rodgers that don't make the playoffs almost annually.

I'm sure if you worked at a job where your boss didn't maximize your personal and company potential it would drive you crazy, if you could see just how great you could be with a different mindset. Wouldn't you want to work somewhere where your superior was sold out to be the very best and you could just feel that? Under our current regime, if I was working there, I would be incredibly frustrated. I get the sense most of you would just love your day to day experience falling short of expectation because you had a job with a good company. That is where being laid back and conservative vs. being aggressive's difference comes into play. I actually tire of talking about this. I know the audience here and how they see things. I just don't see it like most of you do and I find your replies humorous and off the mark almost every single time I read one. You think you address what I type but when I read it I seriously wonder if you are just trying to continue debating for debates sake.

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Wouldn't it make more sense to root for a team with a front office that does things your way? So you could be happy? Find that team with the "aggressive" front office, whether it be the Saints, Eagles, Redskins, whoever... Root for that team. Be happy!

I have a feeling that rooting for the Packers doesn't make you happy. Even when they win it all, like in 2010, it is just an aberration. They got lucky. Should've done it your way. Unhappy Uffda.

At least I don't pretend like kinda has to be done.

I'm happy, brother, just not with the way our guy doesn't do a couple of little things to get us there. Adding Peppers was the kind of thing I refer to as liking, even though Julius was past his prime by a long shot. I want to see guys like Peppers added when they're actually difference makers once in awhile. We've never done that...ever...under TT. Woodson wasn't added when it was known he was still a difference maker. He was a major surprise.

Oh, you can bet I was happy when Wolf was GM. Thrilled. Thrilled with Holmgren, also, in his later years. Took him awhile to find his way.

I still love the Packers show...just not happy with the cast changes over the years as far as the behind the scenes director. The show could be so much better with a better director directing or executive producing.

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This is about draft and develop.

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Draft and develop is what the Packers do. Some people like that. Some people don't. /thread over?

Then the next questions are:

Do you like who they draft? - The scouts and general manager
Do you like who they hire to develop the players? - The coaching staff

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No. As long as you're firmly in the group who loves that phrase and praises our GM for using it this thread could go on ad infinitum. Thanks, Ted. ad nauseam Of course, I'm the one who goes on and on not the ones who praise Ted Thompson at every turn.

Question it and dislike it...there's an issue. You can be one person against the 20 who are for it and the 1 is going on and on but the 20 aren't.

Yes, draft and develop is ONE method for building a team used by ALL teams. There are multiple approaches. The great teams use all available resources to build a champion. I think back to the great Niners and Cowboys teams who would fight over Deion Sanders. New England got Revis last year...they won it all. Our guy shuns adding difference makers that could help the team go over the top. In fact, just this off-season he offered Revis 9.5mil per reports knowing that was nowhere near enough to get him to come here. He loses out on a difference maker like Revis by offering a pitiful deal to him, per reports, and then proceeds to blow our first two draft picks on DB's because he didn't/couldn't get Revis. If Randall and Rollins flop completely and are never good players in the NFL, it will be a major waste of our top 2 picks and it will have wasted a few more years of Rodgers career playing DB's nowhere near the level of Revis who could actually help us win a championship. There's your draft and develop vs. adding a difference maker approach right there. As bad as Ted Thompson has been drafting defensive players, I don't hold out much hope we've gotten anyone near Revis' ability in Randall or Rollins.

Do the Patriots use draft and develop? Are they crazy in FA? Nope...they balance the two. Look at how many rings they have with Brady. I would say they've maximized him over the years with their BETTER approach than Ted Thompson's who has...one SB appearance. So, draft and develop is not a better approach than what New England uses. Say that Ted Thompson should be doing more and you're some idiot who blathers on and on, meanwhile, teams that use a varied approach and actually win a lot of rings shouldn't be brought up because our approach brings us to division championships as if that's some justification it works so well.

EDIT: Denver was brought up... Denver wins their division almost every year. I read on this forum that Denver failing to win a SB after adding some great FA's last off season is proof that adding FA's doesn't work. What? Didn't Denver win their division just like Packers? Didn't Denver not make the SB just like the Packers? If you're going to crap all over Denver's approach, why aren't you crapping over Ted Thompson's approach, also? Neither approach got their team to a title, right? The Patriots are a smart org...that's always close to winning a title because of Brady. See any similarities with the Packers? Some team adding Revis that is nowhere near ready to compete for a championship is nowhere near what I'm referring to with adding FA's. When you're close due to having a superstar QB you need to do that one thing that elevates you above other teams who might have great QB's. If New England has a great QB and we do also, and they add a superstar defensive player and we don't who did more? Yes, we added Julius PAST HIS PRIME but that is the mentality of a winner... adding that one big thing that is needed. Where is TT's Reggie White or New England's Revis, or the Seahawks Harvin the year they won it? Where? It is ironic that we got as close as we've been to a SB by adding Peppers. Add a true stud to this team and see what happens not some former stud on his last legs.
You all seem to think when I speak to adding difference makers I'm speaking to adding scrub FA's like an Erik Walden, Evan Diettrich Smith etc to plug holes. No. I'm talking about adding players like a Jimmy Graham at a position of need on a team that is close to being a winner. Julius Peppers is the closest Ted Thompson has ever been to doing that but, again, Julius was not the star he's been in the past. We need to get one of those guys. Let Bulaga walk and give that extra money to Revis. Instead, we chose to keep some decent player at a high cost. Revis and Shields at CB? Are you kidding? Instead, we get Bulaga at RT instead of Barclay or Tretter. Bulaga ain't gonna be the difference in us winning a SB or not...Revis very well could be. No aggression from our GM. Just play it safe sign your own don't bring in a guy from the outside who changes the game. Instead, GAMBLE that a 1st or 2nd round pick MIGHT be the answer opposite Shields when you could've locked that thing down tight and all but ensure your D would be strong enough to carry you to a title. Now, when the guy opposite Sam is getting torched you can all hail Ted Thompson and his conservative approach for the 10th straight off season again.

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Your theory is that Ted Thompson doesn't maximize the team around the "all world" qb Aaron Rodgers. You claim Ted Thompson is wasting away Rodgers prime. Think back to how Rodgers performed against San Fran two years ago and how he performed against Seattle last year. That team last year had more than enough talent to win the Super Bowl. All the "all world" qb had to do was have an average game against the Seahawks and the Packers would of took home the Lombardi last year.

I love Rodgers as much as the next Packers fan but he hasn't helped his prime by how he has performed in the playoffs the last couple years.

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I have. The Niners DL ate our OL's lunch those years. Our D was also terrible vs. SF in case you've forgotten. Hyde drops a game ending INT in the one game it actually held up okay.

As for Seattle, their secondary was WAY better than our Cobb, Nelson, RICHARD RODGERS/ANDREW QUARLESS, Rookie Adams WR's. It would've been nice if we had a HC who knew Richard Sherman was injured. Yeah, Rodgers is to blame...he's playing on one leg vs. the best D in the NFL with no legit TE or 3rd WR. Pin it on him because it fits with Ted Thompson being all world as a GM. The one SB we did win was due to Rodgers playing out of his mind.

There is NO excuse not to add a difference maker to this team but keep making them. Draft and develop us right to one SB appearance in the Rodgers era.

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