steveishere
10 years ago


Steve...you ask what 15 GM's are better? Not indicated by my post. Go look at these "stellar" drafts of his and grade them individually. Come back and tell me how he's "stellar". It is beyond ridiculous to say he's "stellar" at drafting. He's very very good at UDFA players. His draft grades are NOT consistently above average. Stellar would indicate, to me, he's consistently excellent...the biggest homer would have to admit he's not been.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



No it's ridiculous to claim that he's "clearly nothing more than average" without even comparing him to his peers. If he's nothing more than average then that means that about half the league has been better than him at drafting so who are all these teams/ GMs that have such a better track record?
uffda udfa
10 years ago

No it's ridiculous to claim that he's "clearly nothing more than average" without even comparing him to his peers. If he's nothing more than average then that means that about half the league has been better than him at drafting so who are all these teams/ GMs that have such a better track record?

Originally Posted by: steveishere 




stellar
[stel-er]
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adjective
1.
of or relating to the stars; consisting of stars.
2.
like a star, as in brilliance, shape, etc.
3.
pertaining to a preeminent performer, athlete, etc.

--- I'm going to stop being baffled at your replies. The title of the article includes the word "stellar" in relation to Ted Thompson and his drafting prowess. That is an unadulterated misrepresentation of reality.

Now, you want him graded on a curve... that is not the article's focus...it is him being STELLAR. He is NOT.

Keep going tangential it's unbecoming, especially of you, Steve. I expect that from Buck and his ilk but not you.

Is Ted Thompson "stellar"...it's a YES or NO question. Somehow, most of you couldn't answer that without getting diarrhea of the fingers. The answer is...NO.

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steveishere
10 years ago

stellar
[stel-er]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
of or relating to the stars; consisting of stars.
2.
like a star, as in brilliance, shape, etc.
3.
pertaining to a preeminent performer, athlete, etc.

--- I'm going to stop being baffled at your replies. The title of the article includes the word "stellar" in relation to Ted Thompson and his drafting prowess. That is an unadulterated misrepresentation of reality.

Now, you want him graded on a curve... that is not the article's focus...it is him being STELLAR. He is NOT.

Keep going tangential it's unbecoming, especially of you, Steve. I expect that from Buck and his ilk but not you.

Is Ted Thompson "stellar"...it's a YES or NO question. Somehow, most of you couldn't answer that without getting diarrhea of the fingers. The answer is...NO.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I was replying to your comment not the article and you knew that. It's ok though I never actually expected you to follow through and back it up anyways.
uffda udfa
10 years ago
If you paid such close attention to what I wrote then it is YOU who should be proving he has been "stellar". I asked each person to grade his drafts individually and then come back here and tell me he's been "stellar". Why would I need to do that? I've already admitted he's not been stellar. That article was about a big of a joke as I've ever seen in a "major"newspaper. No wonder the industry is failing. Looks like Buck wrote it.

Of course, you and most others won't go near the question of whether he's been "stellar"? I understand. I do.
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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


steveishere
10 years ago
As far as if Ted is Stellar or not I don't know, I would not personally use that word. I think he is one of the best, is that "stellar"? If he's not stellar then who is? If nobody is then what would it take for one to be considered stellar?
steveishere
10 years ago

If you paid such close attention to what I wrote then it is YOU who should be proving he has been "stellar". I asked each person to grade his drafts individually and then come back here and tell me he's been "stellar". Why would I need to do that? I've already admitted he's not been stellar. That article was about a big of a joke as I've ever seen in a "major"newspaper. No wonder the industry is failing. Looks like Buck wrote it.

Of course, you and most others won't go near the question of whether he's been "stellar"? I understand. I do.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I said nothing about Ted being stellar nor did I say anything about agreeing with the article so why would I grade all his drafts to suppliment an argument I didn't make? You specifically said he's been "middle of the road" and "clearly nothing more than about average" I simply ask you to explain those comments and you deflect and don't do anything to back it up. You seem to have no intention of doing so which makes it look like all you are doing is responding to a sensationalized headline in a poor article with your own sensational comments.
uffda udfa
10 years ago
You don't know if Ted is stellar? That is the whole push of the article...that he is "stellar". I call BS on that and I'm under attack. I ask people to grade his drafts...they don't...I continue getting grilled.

I ask a simple YES or NO question and one of the brightest members of this forum says, "I don't know."? I say...NO. Doesn't take me two seconds to think about that after looking at his history very closely. I don't think most of you have. You couldn't possibly have.

As much as Buck can't figure my "one trick pony"...I can't figure out yours. Why in the world do you feel the need to constantly post how great Ted Thompson is? I know it wasn't you, Steve, but people here just can't resist this wrong idea for some reason.
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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


Barfarn
10 years ago

Did you read that article? Brandon Jackson was highlighted in one of his drafts? Are you kidding me?

TJ Lang was dubbed, "elite"? Are you joking?

Finley was called "elite"? He had elite talent but never elite production.

Brad Jones was cited????

AJ Hawk was never ever close to living up to being the 5th pick in the draft.

Colledge and Spitz cited? What?

Richard Rodgers had an impressive year? To who?

---I love the Pack but the person who wrote this is worse than a homer. The view of TT's drafts is very flawed.

I'm honestly surprised Demetri Goodson wasn't touted from our last draft the way this guy assessed things.

Just a pure propaganda piece. Zero objectivity save for the comment on Hawk.

EDIT: I just read the comments below the article at JSO...wow, some actual sane Packers fans who are objective. I was shocked. It looks like most of them realize how ridiculous that puff piece was and Ted Thompson is barely middle of the road. I really, really, loved the commenter who pointed out you have to hit every single year to build a juggernaut if you're not going to explore FA. Ted Thompson has had some absolutely BRUTAL drafts...furthest thing in the world from "stellar".

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 




If Ted Thompson drafts 40 HOFers in 8 drafts and 31 other teams each drafted more, Ted Thompson stinks. If Ted Thompson drafted 4 quality players in 8 drafts and no other team drafted more than 3, then Ted Thompson is a genius. It is impossible to say Ted Thompson is good or bad w/o comparing his success to that of other GMs.

I've noticed one characteristic possessed by the vocal minority that criticize TT: they tend to compare Ted Thompson to some fictitious wayward wet-dream of a GM, who is 100% perfect. Steve is 100% correct, berating a GM w/out comparing him to his peers is, IMHO, pure poppycock.

Again you may be correct, my mind is open; please provide argument supported by facts and cogent reasoning that other GMs are better and perhaps you can convince me.

Or you can continue to fully substantiate everything you say with your own subjective opinions. Now, there's nothing wrong with that; but, in the words of Jack Nicholson, "if that did it for me, I'd be the luckiest man alive."

uffda udfa
10 years ago

If Ted Thompson drafts 40 HOFers in 8 drafts and 31 other teams each drafted more, Ted Thompson stinks. If Ted Thompson drafted 4 quality players in 8 drafts and no other team drafted more than 3, then Ted Thompson is a genius. It is impossible to say Ted Thompson is good or bad w/o comparing his success to that of other GMs.

I've noticed one characteristic possessed by the vocal minority that criticize TT: they tend to compare Ted Thompson to some fictitious wayward wet-dream of a GM, who is 100% perfect. Steve is 100% correct, berating a GM w/out comparing him to his peers is, IMHO, pure poppycock.

Again you may be correct, my mind is open; please provide argument supported by facts and cogent reasoning that other GMs are better and perhaps you can convince me.

Or you can continue to fully substantiate everything you say with your own subjective opinions. Now, there's nothing wrong with that; but, in the words of Jack Nicholson, "if that did it for me, I'd be the luckiest man alive."

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



You type an awful lot for so little payoff.

Can you answer a simple question... Is Ted Thompson a "stellar" drafter? YES or NO? Why can't you with all your brilliance not answer a simple Y or N question?

I'm not impressed with his drafting. It's middle of the road to me. If your standard is that TJ Lang is an "elite" player then by all means that is what you believe. I know the pro Ted Thompson crowd is very unlikely to ever change their mind but every single time I see one of these garbage posts I'll respond with my counter opinion and ask relevant questions like a simple YES or NO question that has yet to be answered by anyone but...me.


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sschind
10 years ago

As far as if Ted is Stellar or not I don't know, I would not personally use that word. I think he is one of the best, is that "stellar"? If he's not stellar then who is? If nobody is then what would it take for one to be considered stellar?

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



What you said. I wouldn't call him stellar either, at least not the way I would define stellar. To me stellar is above great and while there have been some great GMs (Ted might even be one of them) I don't think anyone has been stellar. Of course like so many other things what makes a stellar GM is subjective. Obviously the author of the article defines stellar differently than Ufda. I agree with Ufda that it would be a stretch to consider several of the players cited in the article as hits ( Colledge, Spitz, Jackson) but again its a subjective grading system.

That doesn't mean I don't think he has been a very good GM. Way above average and like I said possibly even great. I have never really given it much thought as to what would be required to be considered great. I don't have the time or the ambition to do so because most people would probably disagree with me anyway and it really doesn't matter how good of a job I think Ted is doing.

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