greengold
9 years ago
Well, Barclay is a free agent. I haven't seen Tretter take too many snaps at tackle.

Man I wish some team would just give you a job as GM already.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

Well, Barclay is a free agent. I haven't seen Tretter take too many snaps at tackle.

Man I wish some team would just give you a job as GM already.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



Ha! I would still be here to make your experience more enjoyable.

Tretter was a very hot draft choice and looked to be living up to his billing as a heckuva young player. He was the guy on the Mario Williams sack that ended our weak comeback effort vs. Buffalo. Still, he is young athletic, moreso than BB will ever be, and highly intelligent. I would have no hesitation letting Bryan Bulaga walk knowing I have him and could sign Barclay for peanuts.

Why do you want to pay 7 million so badly for him? Why? He'll just sit on IR collecting the money.




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musccy
9 years ago

Well, Barclay is a free agent. I haven't seen Tretter take too many snaps at tackle.

Man I wish some team would just give you a job as GM already.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



Doesn't mean Barclay won't be re-signed. We still don't KNOW the BB is coming back. For all we know, Ted Thompson has the faith in DB that uffda does and will go for the discount at tackle. Barclay wasn't too bad when he filled in before.
greengold
9 years ago
Bulaga is the best tackle we have. Keeping Rodgers upright is my agenda.

I hope we can sign him for a discount but $7M is not unreasonable if you look around the league.

texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
I don't think he will get quite $7 million if/when he signs - maybe a back loaded 5 year deal where he isn't around for the last year or two.
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beast
9 years ago

Tretter was a very hot draft choice and looked to be living up to his billing as a heckuva young player... Still, he is young athletic, moreso than BB will ever be, and highly intelligent. I would have no hesitation letting Bryan Bulaga walk knowing I have him and could sign Barclay for peanuts.

Why do you want to pay 7 million so badly for him? Why? He'll just sit on IR collecting the money.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



So you're suggesting the problem is Bulaga injury history of playing only 65% of his games and the solution is plugging in Tretter who's own injury history has only let him play 25% of his games? Smart!



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beast
9 years ago

Barclay wasn't too bad when he filled in before.

Originally Posted by: musccy 


Depends on how you define "too bad" ... in pass protection, Barclay often needed help in pass protection against decent rushers and so had the TE or RB help chip block Barclay's guy on most passing downs which slowed down or stopped a receiving option from going out and meant the other linemen didn't have help if they needed it. Barclay was good in run blocking.

Let's compare:

In Bulaga three years of starting at least 75% of the season: Rodgers has won two MVPs and one Super Bowl

In Barclay one year of starting at least 75% of the season: Rodgers has had one of his worst TD to INT ratios of the last four years, the worst QB rating over the last four years and the most missed games due to injury as the Barclay's DE got away from him and pounded Rodgers into the dirt.


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musccy
9 years ago

So you're suggesting the problem is Bulaga injury history of playing only 65% of his games and the solution is plugging in Tretter who's own injury history has only let him play 25% of his games? Smart!


Originally Posted by: beast 



Tretter would also be fractions of the cost. I agree with uffda on this one even if we can pick at holes in his argument. Personally, I prefer BB back, but at a reasonable price and I acknowledge Tretter and Barclay combined are going to be less than 1 BB, with arguably as much versatility, maybe more.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

Bulaga is the best tackle we have. Keeping Rodgers upright is my agenda.

I hope we can sign him for a discount but $7M is not unreasonable if you look around the league.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



When I look around the league I don't see RT's who have missed almost 2 full seasons due to injury getting 7 million dollars. Bulaga is a RT...not a LT. If he was a successful LT he would be getting more than 7 million and playing LT. He's not.

I will ask again...do you think the drop off from Barclay and or Tretter to Bulaga is worth around 5 million extra? I absolutely don't. If we had NOBODY at RT then I could see having to pay the uncomfortable number we had to give Randall. These situations couldn't be more different. If you're right and Ted Thompson is as frugal and smart with his money as is claimed, then why would he waste it on BB when he can get close to comparable value for much less? It is why he doesn't dabble in regular FA...he thinks he has guys who are as good or will be as good as the ones he'd pay ridiculous money to. With that in mind, think about how that plays with what he has available at RT. Doesn't make sense to pay it UNLESS he likes the comfort of knowing BB could play mediocre LT if Bak goes down, knowing we have Tretter, and most likely Barclay to play RT if he slid over.
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musccy
9 years ago

Depends on how you define "too bad" ... in pass protection, Barclay often needed help in pass protection against decent rushers and so had the TE or RB help chip block Barclay's guy on most passing downs which slowed down or stopped a receiving option from going out and meant the other linemen didn't have help if they needed it. Barclay was good in run blocking.

Let's compare:

In Bulaga three years of starting at least 75% of the season: Rodgers has won two MVPs and one Super Bowl

In Barclay one year of starting at least 75% of the season: Rodgers has had one of his worst TD to INT ratios of the last four years, the worst QB rating over the last four years and the most missed games due to injury as the Barclay's DE got away from him and pounded Rodgers into the dirt.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Assuming you're referring to 2013, this was one of the most injury-plagued seasons the Packers had and was the reason Mike McCarthy made huge changes to nutrition, strength and conditioning, and practice schedules.
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