Bigbyfan
10 years ago
Just reported that it is a five year deal just under $7 mill a year. I think everyone can live with that. Keeps intact the best offensive line the packers have had in years
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all_about_da_packers
10 years ago

Additionally, Tretter played tackle at Cornell. Ivy league ball. He's a brilliant kid with tons of athleticism. Did you see a lot of Rodgers before he took over for Favre? Were you concerned back then? I wasn't. I couldn't wait for the Rodgers era to begin and the Favre era to end.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



That's an unfair comparison. With Rodgers, you actually had some evidence of him being capable (like the Cowboys game where he replaced an injured Favre). With Tretter, you've got the Bills game.... where Tretter basically let Mario Williams beat him to cause an A-Rod fumble then safety. Tretter showed well at C during pre-season, but his game tape (albeit very limited) at RT in real NFL games suggests he would be a disaster. With Rodgers, his NFL game tape (albeit also limited, but more than Tretter) suggested he at least had the chance to be a good QB. I believed in Rodgers being good based on the fact he'd had some success at QB; Tretter has never had success at RT in the NFL level.

Tretter had a freak injury... a fumble drill injury in an OTA if memory serves. Bad luck. Not an injury I foresee happening again. Bulaga on the other hand has knee issues. His knees don't seem to be in the best of shape.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Every season Bluga has started a game, he has played at least 88% of the snaps that year (source: PFF here  ). Yes he has had injury set backs, but outside of the torn ACL, Bulaga has not been as horribly injury prone as you would suggest.

As to whether Bulaga is worth the ~$5.5 million difference between Barclay and Tretter: yes. The market sets the prices, and you've seen some insane money thrown at Tackles with no where near the record of performance of Bulaga. In this market, based on early deals with players like Jeremy Parnell - a ex-Cowboy OT back-up who was 75% as good as Bulaga according to PFF stats (I can provide the link comparing the two, if you want) - who got 5yrs / 32 million, it seems the market has clearly indicated the value difference between back-ups (i.e. Barclay and Tretter) and a starter (even with limited starting experience like Parnell) is at least $5 million.

Bulaga got a contract done, one that apparently doesn't pay him more than Sitton - our best O-linemen. Based on his performance, the external FA market, and the internal money benchmark set by Sitton, it's hard to argue the deal was bad or even unfair for the Packers.
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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

Just reported that it is a five year deal just under $7 mill a year. I think everyone can live with that. Keeps intact the best offensive line the packers have had in years

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



Will be intereststing to see the breakdown.

Probably won't be as back loaded as Cobb's. Contract.
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musccy
10 years ago

So he lost it... but didn't fail to keep it? ... like he just misplaced it somewhere or something?
Damn kids ... always forgetting where we put stuff... :crazy:


That's the pot calling the kettle black... yes my Barclay number is presumptive... but so is the Bulaga number that was thrown out... yes there was a report out... but there was also a report of Cobb's number of wanting the 9 million to sign which turned out to be wrong... so the thought that the reported Bulaga number is correct is presumptive just like Barclay's number I threw out there.

Originally Posted by: beast 



With Tretter - he got hurt and another guy played so well that you couldn't justify making the switch. Title it anyway you want, but it doesn't mean that he was no longer the center because he was incapable...Linsley was just playing well.

As far as presumptions...Cobb and Bulaga's contracts were reports within weeks, days, even hours from when they signed. You were projecting Barclay's total out 12 months from now. No way is that a fair comparison.

Bottom line to all of this is Bulaga appears to be signed. Ultimately I'm happy he's back. That gives the Packers 7 OL that I feel comfortable with. The Packers have essentially their entire offense under contract for 2 years. That's all good news.

That said, I do agree with Uffda that it may have been too much and I don't think DB/JCT would have been bad options.
uffda udfa
10 years ago
Tretter can play...was very good at C in the pre-season or have you forgotten that? That kid is a talent.

I'm disappointed they gave close to 7 million to BB. An unnecessary wasteful spending move, IMO. I was happy to read it was below 7 million. That's outrageous for a guy most of us deep down know is going to be on IR at some point next year. Yes, a decent player but totally unreliable and you don't give big money to those players. We did. Also, tendered Don Barclay... if he signs it we'll get him back for 1.5/2 million. I would've loved to have the extra 5 million over BB.
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beast
10 years ago

With Tretter - he got hurt ... it doesn't mean that he was no longer the center because he was incapable...

Originally Posted by: musccy 



I don't believe I implied he wasn't capable... I believe he is capable of growing and becoming good in the inside. My point was I don't want to project him as winning the battle for a starting job as he hasn't won a battle in the NFL yet (other than the battle to stay on the 53 man roster over Sherrod).

As far as presumptions... No way is that a fair comparison.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



They're both presumptions so they're fair to compare and there is another presumption in there we haven't talk about, which is the presumption that Barclay could replace Bulaga and play well for a season (which I gave without argument on the topic)... but making that assumption, you can make my assumption that the FA market could very well pay him like a good starter... and there is an example in Jermey Parnell who only started for 5 games and played well getting 5 years, $32M (per rotoworld) contract.

So Parnell starts 5 games well and gets 6.4 million per year... isn't it safe to suggest IF Barclay started 16 games well (which you guys assumed) he could get 5 million (which I assumed)? Heck I might be low balling it at only 5 million.

My assumption works with the assumption you guys were making.


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Bigbyfan
10 years ago

Tretter can play...was very good at C in the pre-season or have you forgotten that? That kid is a talent.

I'm disappointed they gave close to 7 million to BB. An unnecessary wasteful spending move, IMO. I was happy to read it was below 7 million. That's outrageous for a guy most of us deep down know is going to be on IR at some point next year. Yes, a decent player but totally unreliable and you don't give big money to those players. We did. Also, tendered Don Barclay... if he signs it we'll get him back for 1.5/2 million. I would've loved to have the extra 5 million over BB.

Ted Thompson is pezzing out that money.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Its not like Bulaga's deal is gonna prevent the Packers from signing whoever they are targeting. The Packers rarely spend big money on free agents. Even if they want to, the Packers came into the off season with over $33 mill in cap space. Now just under $17 mill of that is accounted for. Complain all you want, but this deal doesn't end the world as you you are making it seem.


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beast
10 years ago

I'm disappointed they gave close to 7 million to BB.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Just wondering... when aren't you disappointed with the Packers?
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all_about_da_packers
10 years ago

Tretter can play...was very good at C in the pre-season or have you forgotten that? That kid is a talent.

I'm disappointed they gave close to 7 million to BB. An unnecessary wasteful spending move, IMO. I was happy to read it was below 7 million. That's outrageous for a guy most of us deep down know is going to be on IR at some point next year. Yes, a decent player but totally unreliable and you don't give big money to those players. We did. Also, tendered Don Barclay... if he signs it we'll get him back for 1.5/2 million. I would've loved to have the extra 5 million over BB.

Ted Thompson is pezzing out that money.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I never argued Tretter couldn't play at C; I did argue that his (very, very) limited game tape at RT in the NFL suggests he will be a disaster at the position. At least with Rodgers at QB, his NFL game tape suggested he could be good.

Again, regarding Bulaga on IR: Only one time in his career has Bulaga missed an entire season due to being on IR (for torn ACL). Every other year he has started a game (which is the rest of the time he has been in the NFL), he has played in at least 88% of the offensive snaps that year. I'm not sure where you get the "Bulaga will be on IR some point next year" bit from, because nothing in the data suggests that will be the case. Could Bulaga have hip / knee problems? Sure, but nothing suggests he has chronic knee/hip issues that prevent him from playing the vast majority of snaps available to him.

Tretter could very well be a good OT in the NFL. We already had one in Bulaga, and I'm glad the Packers kept him at a rate that seems fair based on: 1) his performance last year per PFF; 2) the FA market that gave out more than $6 million/yr to a back-up OT in Jeremy Parnell; and 3) the internal cap structure of the Packers that suggests a good/great O-linemen is worth no more than the $6.8 made by Josh Sitton.
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isocleas2
10 years ago
I'm excited to hear we're getting Bulaga back. I know some of you will gripe about the price tag but you're living in the past, look at the contracts that are being handed out this off-season and compared to them Bulaga's deal is fine. House getting over 6 mil a year? Maclin 11+? Its a new age with the new cap #s.
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