REPORT: McCarthy giving up play-calling, Edgar promoted· Page 2

packerfanoutwest
Member

9 years ago

As far as the title of coaches, I think it's easier for another franchise to "steal" a staff member if it's a lateral move, so promotions make this more difficult...I believe. I think the team just did this with Eliot Wolf

As far as this, I'm in the minority but I like Mike as a playcaller, and I've rarely had issues with him in his role, even in the Seattle game. That said, I've always thought it has to be challenging for a HC to be calling defensive or offensive plays in the game while managing everything else. It seems like you'd be compromising some role.

Originally Posted by: musccy

you need to be bitch slapped,,,,you like Mike McCarthy as a play caller? rarely had issues? even on 4th and 11 inches?

nerdmann
Premier Member

9 years ago

#12

you need to be bitch slapped,,,,you like Mike McCarthy as a play caller? rarely had issues? even on 4th and 11 inches?

Originally Posted by: packerfanoutwest

My issue with Mike is more of a "sports psychology" type issue.

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beast
Select Member

9 years ago

#13

As far as this, I'm in the minority but I like Mike as a playcaller, and I've rarely had issues with him in his role, even in the Seattle game. That said, I've always thought it has to be challenging for a HC to be calling defensive or offensive plays in the game while managing everything else. It seems like you'd be compromising some role.

Originally Posted by: musccy

Fans bitch about Mike McCarthy play calling, but he's been extremely successful with it, including play calling for the team that had the most point in the NFL this season. Only time I really have a problem with it, is when he gets a lead and gets very conservative with the play calls and gets in a pattern where it's run, run, pass or three straight runs, which usually seems to lead to nothing but short drives and punts giving the other team a chance to get back into the game.

sschind
Senior Member

9 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: musccy

I was thinking the same thing. Give them a fancy new title and its harder for other teams to steal them. On the other hand, as McCarthy himself pointed out, other teams were not knocking on our door looking to grab our coaches. That said, I highly doubt an OC who doesn't call plays is going to be highly sought after.

In general I don't have a problem with McCarthy's play calling either. Even in the NFCC game you will find as many people saying he called the right plays at the end as you will find those complaining about it. I do think he has a tendency to go conservative too soon on occasion.

If anything this will allow him to concentrate more on managing the game. I can't help but wonder though how many people are going to have a hand in setting up the offense. Head coach, assistant/associate head coach/play caller, offensive coordinator... the saying "too many cooks spoil the broth" comes to mind.

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#15

This boils down to some form of the same old question: Is the Packers staff doing a good/great job because we have had an overall good record in the McCarthy era? Or are we a great team almost exclusively because of Aaron Rodgers, and McCarthy's crew ain't doing a very good job of maximizing things? I've asked that question several times regarding Ted Thompson, and my definite opinion is the latter - for sure for Thompson and his team-building, and probably for McCarthy and his game management. Having a three-headed group calling the plays is probably no different that McCarthy calling the plays with the other two advising. Besides, the game-planning is the larger scale and more significant issue anyway. Do we pass first to set up the run? Or do we try to establish the run with less emphasis on the passing game? I obviously favor pass first; The real question, though, is who favors what among that triumvirate - assuming they are not in perfect lock step? And assuming there are differences, whose ideas will prevail?

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musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#16

you need to be bitch slapped,,,,you like Mike McCarthy as a play caller? rarely had issues? even on 4th and 11 inches?

Originally Posted by: packerfanoutwest

They missed on 2nd and 3rd and 11 inches too.
I had a lot more issues with player execution than coaching decisions/play calling.

I don't know anything about Clement either good or bad, so the uncertainty leads to apprehension. Also, as sschind said or alluded to, I sense Mike will still have a heavy hand in the offense so there appear to be a lot of cooks in the kitchen.

dyeah_gb
Member

9 years ago

#17

I am happy with this decision if it pans out. I am ignoring all the coaching titles for now and just focusing on Mike McCarthy strictly in the head coach role. Going back to the Seattle game, even with all the player's lack of execution, I think the team thought they had it in the bag in the last 5 minutes. At that point, we needed a coach to pull the team aside and explain that the game was not over yet. Maybe we will have that now.

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musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#18

I am happy with this decision if it pans out. I am ignoring all the coaching titles for now and just focusing on Mike McCarthy strictly in the head coach role. Going back to the Seattle game, even with all the player's lack of execution, I think the team thought they had it in the bag in the last 5 minutes. At that point, we needed a coach to pull the team aside and explain that the game was not over yet. Maybe we will have that now.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb

I get why people expect this of him, but do you think he'll have an entire team meeting on the sideline? A simple message through the headset to the position coaches to carry on the message would suffice.

I really don't think this move was just due to the Seattle game even if it may have proved to be the catalyst. I also speculate that not knowing about CM3 at the end was more of the final straw than anything else that transpired during the game.

Even though in principal I agree with the decision just because I think it's near impossible to perform both tasks well, I still worry about the unknown. Whether you like him or not, statistically Mike has done a great job with the offense.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#19

If true, I think this is in the best interest of the club. Mike as HC doesn't have the time to be looking at film between series to really see what the defense is doing in order to make those offensive adjustments during the game. And being told is never the same as seeing for yourself. Aaron and the assistants are constantly looking at the same thing which makes it much easier for them to get on the same page as to what is going on during the game.

As for the titles and promotions, those protect from the coaches being poached by other teams. There is a rule that states that hiring an assistant under contract can only be done if the hiring is a promotion. So neither of them can be hired from under the Packers without basically making them a HC. And if the Packers really want to be known as a place that not only develops players but coaches. Those assistants need to be given a chance to show their ability.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#20

Mike McCarthy is a good Head Coach. McCarthy is also a good offensive play caller. However, for the same reasons Bob Harlan said he said it was a mistake to have a General Manager and Head Coach be the same person, I think having your HC and Offense or Defense play caller being the HC is equally damaging.

Some are believing this tweet from Ian is confirming the change.

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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

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Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.

bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed

Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv

Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno

beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?

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