texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

You can't stop or fix the damage, but you can stop doing the polluting. This isn't even anything to argue over anymore. It's science against duped morons misled by the Koch Brothers who have purchased half of Congress. Science wins. But seriously, you guys should all pool your money together to buy a condo in the Florida Keys. You could start a think tank while watching the water swallow you up and try and figure out where all the extra water is coming from.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



You say that it's science, but you don't/CAN'T produce any. Your idea of science seems to be the old whine that a bunch of scientists - the great majority of who, are dedicated leftists pushing a hard left agenda - keep spouting an unsubstantiated theory. Meanwhile, MEASURABLE science - the facts which confound the GW pushers - say it ain't so. If you want to dispute that, then come up with some facts - but you won't because you CAN'T. The total mass of ice in Greenland simply ain't decreasing; Both ocean temperatures and mean surface temperatures haven't increased in over a decade; The ship the lefty GW wackos sent to check out melting in Antarctica got frozen in so solid that the Chicom icebreaker couldn't get 'em out; It took a bigger stronger American icebreaker to rescue them. That pretty much symbolizes the status of the crap your leftist heroes are spewing. And all a lame ass like you can do is whine about Fox and Rush, and how the achiever class is picking on the phantom poor? Come on!

Have you been to Florida in the past three years? I have; and the Texas Gulf Coast at Padre Island just last summer. The beaches are actually growing - water levels down several feet. I guess the Koch brothers pumped that extra water somewhere hahahaha - maybe they used it for fracking.


Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
Cheesey
10 years ago
So it's all about pollution???
We as a nation are already doing a lot to stop pollution here.
That's something I agree with. Be good stewards of the earth.
Carrying it to the extreme that the leftists do with the whole global warming scare is rediculous.
That's what the left wing does all the time. Carry things to the extreme.
And there are plenty of REAL scientists that agree that the global warming scare is B.S.
But you can ignore those scientists because they don't agree with your agenda.
UserPostedImage
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
10 years ago
Global warming, climate change, whatever label you want to put on it -- there are three separate empirical questions involved:

1. Is the climate changing? Climatology is a science, though a relatively young one. And short-term (e.g., in 200 years or less), its about as exact as weather science is in the long run (more than a week). Things do change in the long term, however, so it could well be on a path of change to an ice age or icecap melting or whatever. I'm willing to give the self-called experts of the benefit of the doubt on the long-term climate question, based solely on the fact that its pretty clear we have had changes in axial tilt, major meteorite strikes, ice ages, and the like in the past and there is no reason to think we might not have them again.

2. Is the climate changing because of human action (industrialization, pollution, etc.)? This is a far bigger claim than #1.

You can do a lot of things with computer-based simulation now -- in many ways Monte Carlo and other simulation methods are far superior to the "traditional" statistics most people were exposed to if they took one or more statistics classes in college (and, with most disciplines, even in grad school prior to 1990s). The expense of traditional sampling methods (in surveys, in labs, double blind or whatever) means one has to make pretty major intellectual leaps of faith to get from evidence on correlation (A and B happening at the same time) to an inference about causation (A happening because of 😎.

If you were raised on standard ideas of probability and sampling, simulation can look like "pseudo-science" and science fiction. But there is no doubt that in the hands of top scientists, simulation can yield amazing and worthy inferences about questions of causation that wouldn't be possible otherwise. Without simulation, Fermi, Ulam, and the rest of the Manhattan project would have had to have tens of thousands of atomic explosions like those in New Mexico and the South Pacific before they could have had a workable bomb, for example.

Does that mean the scientific simulations at the heart of the global warming "evidence" are sufficient to prove the point their advocates claim? Not hardly. Nobels notwithstanding, Al Gore and his "scientist" friends are nowhere near the intellectual level of Oppenheimer and Teller, much less of Fermi, Ulam, and company. And climate science is far from as developed in its theory and sophistication as physics had been long before 1945.

Climate change science is closer to where physics was at the time of Copernicus, Galileo, Newton and , still breaking away from the science of Ptolemaic epicycles and the science of alchemy (Newton himself was still a practitioner of the latter).

We know an amazing amount of stuff about climate today that we never used to. But compared to what we don't know, it's trivial.

And even if, somehow, today's pioneers of climate science are getting the climate change because of human action hypothesis correct, there's the third question to deal with ...

3. How do we stop/slow/do anything meaningful about the human-caused changed? Here, to my mind, is where the real hubris of these "scientists" (and their non-scientist followers) shows up. There's a big distance between being able to explain what has happened and being able to manipulate things to get them to happen in a particular way. Newton understood gravity better than the climate people understand CO2. Do we have any real clue how to stop apples from falling down and make them fall up?

We can make them go up (put them on top of a rocket or a giant explosive device). But have we figured out how to make them even their seeds go up cheaply enough to make it economical to feed people with space-grown fruit?

I believe in science. In general, we're better off paying attention to the evidence it provides than ignoring it. But we're even better off -- far better off -- when we pay attention to it AND recognize the limitations of that evidence. Because when we don't do so, we are being wilfully ignorant and prideful. Far more harm is done by this unsupported faith in science and its methods than benefit is generated.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
DakotaT
10 years ago
I compare you conservative climate change denial people to the Catholic Church of the dark ages. You suppress any kind of free thought, and frankly, are pretty ugly about it. In the end it really doesn't matter what any of us think, the reality of the situation is that the coastal cities on every continent are in deep shit in the coming decades. I really don't care what any of you think or believe, like usual.
UserPostedImage
Cheesey
10 years ago
That's the problem, Troy. No matter what you are shown, if it doesn't come from one of your liberal "gods", you won't listen.
It reminds me of the old saying, "don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up".
It wasn't that long ago that the "scientists" said the earth was flat.
You would have sided with them had you been alive back then.
I will trust that God won't allow puny mankind to "destroy" the earth He created.
He is still in control.
UserPostedImage
DakotaT
10 years ago
Any of you good normal Americans want to explain the tornado in Los Angeles to me and the rest of the people that believe in science over retards?
UserPostedImage
yooperfan
10 years ago
Each year on December 31st, Lake Superior State University up here in the UP of Michigan publishes a list of words and phrases that should be banned from the English Language.
This list always gains national attention.
Polar Vortex made the list published yesterday.
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    dfosterf (18-Aug) : We do have good depth at running back imo. Still so frustrating. Bitching about it is a futile excercise, which I plan to do anyway.
    Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : Whoops, I thought Zero was saying it was a surprise the Brewers lost and not Lloyd being hurt
    Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : Not a surprise; inevitable
    Zero2Cool (17-Aug) : Brewers streak ends at 14
    Zero2Cool (17-Aug) : SURPRISE
    Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : @mattschneidman Matt LaFleur on MarShawn Lloyd: “He’s gonna miss some time.”
    Mucky Tundra (16-Aug) : CLIFFORD WITH THE TD WITH UNDER 2 TO GO!!!!!
    Zero2Cool (16-Aug) : 90 MINUTES UNTIL FAKE KICKOFF!!
    Martha Careful (16-Aug) : I think Ruven is a bot, but regardless should be stricken from the site.
    Zero2Cool (14-Aug) : Packers RB Josh Jacobs ranked No. 33 in NFL 'Top 100'
    dfosterf (13-Aug) : The LVN Musgrave collision- Andy Herman said Musgrave seemed to be the one most impacted injury-wise
    dfosterf (13-Aug) : a lower back injury
    dfosterf (13-Aug) : Doubs says he's "fine" after injury scare. Some reported it as z
    Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : With LVN that is; need to see what happens in the next practice
    Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : beast, reading about what happened, it sounded like one of those "two guys collide and are moving slow afterwards" type of deals
    beast (12-Aug) : I believe Musgrave has been injured every single season since at least a Sophomore in highschool
    packerfanoutwest (12-Aug) : Matt LaFleur: “Highly unlikely” Jordan Love plays more this preseason
    dfosterf (12-Aug) : Doubs, Savion Williams, LVN, Musgrave all banged up to one degree or another, missing one here I forget
    Zero2Cool (12-Aug) : RB Tyrion Davis-Price is signing with the Green Bay Packers.
    Zero2Cool (12-Aug) : zero help, dominated. preseason
    beast (12-Aug) : QB Jordan Love has surgery
    beast (12-Aug) : Martha said Morgan had a lot of help, I didn't watch the OL so I can't say.
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers LT Jordan Morgan did not allow a single pressure across 23 pass-blocking snaps vs. Jets last night, per PFF
    Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : With buckeye and the reasonable couple, we're currently sitting at 10
    buckeyepackfan (10-Aug) : Just posted to re-up on our FFL.
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : If healthy after, then thats all I care. Well, no drops would be nice
    wpr (10-Aug) : I made it through the 1st Q.
    dfosterf (10-Aug) : Just gotta figure out how.
    dfosterf (10-Aug) : Could have been a worse start, so there is that.
    beast (10-Aug) : Yeah, someone tell the Packers football season has started, seems like they weren't ready for it
    Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : Sooooooo many penalties
    Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : It may only be preseason, but this game is a trip to the dentist
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers do bad -- FREAK OUT!!!!!!
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers do good -- eh only preseason
    dfosterf (10-Aug) : Well that half was fun
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Great, zayne is down
    Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : 13 minutes away from kickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkoffff
    Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : Had Celebration of Life for my uncle up north. wicked rain hope it dont come south
    Mucky Tundra (9-Aug) : THE GREEN BAY PACKERS ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL TONIGHT!!!!!! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!
    Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : Woo-hoo
    TheKanataThrilla (9-Aug) : NFL Network is broadcasting the game tonight, but not in Canada. Not sure why as no local television is showing the game.
    beast (8-Aug) : But the Return from IR designations had to be applied by the 53 man cutdown.
    beast (8-Aug) : It's a new rule, so it's not clear, but my understanding was that they could be IR'd at any time
    Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : *had to be IRed at 53
    Mucky Tundra (8-Aug) : beast, I thought the designate return from IR players had to be IR at cutdowns to 53, not before
    beast (8-Aug) : It's a brand new rule, either last season or this season, prior, all pre-season IRs were done for the season
    beast (8-Aug) : But the Packers would have to use one for their return from IR spots on him, when they cut down to 53.
    beast (8-Aug) : I think the NFL recently changed the IR rules, so maybe the season might not be over for OL Glover.
    Zero2Cool (8-Aug) : Packers star Howton, first NFLPA prez, dies at 95 😔
    dfosterf (8-Aug) : Apparently it is too complicated for several to follow your simple instructions, but I digress
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2025 Packers Schedule
    Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
    COMMANDERS
    Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
    Browns
    Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
    Cowboys
    Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
    BENGALS
    Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
    Cardinals
    Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
    Steelers
    Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
    PANTHERS
    Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
    EAGLES
    Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
    Giants
    Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
    Broncos
    Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
    Bears
    Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
    RAVENS
    Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
    Vikings
    Recent Topics
    44m / Around The NFL / beast

    7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / isaiah

    19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    21-Aug / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

    21-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    20-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    19-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    18-Aug / Around The NFL / isaiah

    18-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    17-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    17-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    16-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / beast

    15-Aug / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

    13-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    12-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.