Cory’s Corner: Mike Holmgren was a better coach than Mike McCarthy

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

When it comes to coaching, the Green Bay Packers have been more than blessed. The name of the NFL’s top prize was an iconic Packers head coach. And before Vince Lombardi, there was a guy named Curly Lambeau who not only coached consistent winners but was one of the brainstormers that brought pro football to [...]

JerseyAl wrote:

I agree about this, but then again Holmgren did spread his ass cheeks and take a huge dump on the organization. Not just by shitting himself in the SB against Denver but then later, in the way he left the organization.

Some of it is Wolf's fault, because Wolf wouldn't let him have the option of going to Seattle before his contract was up. But Wolf was acting in earnest. He wasn't pulling some kind of underhanded bullshit.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

Holmgren never lost more than seven regular season games during his entire tenure in Green Bay. McCarthy lost eight his first season, 10 in his third (after losing in the NFC Championship the year before) and seven in his eighth.

This is unfair, as McCarthy has had to deal with injuries. Then again, he hasn't proven he can successfully address that situation yet.

There’s also one more thing that McCarthy has to master: He has to stop outthinking himself. He must stop trying to prove to people that he is the smartest offensive mind on the field. I don’t have a problem with him kicking an onside kick at New Orleans in a game that clearly turned into a scoring circus. But I do question his rationale when he splits Julius Peppers out wide on second and goal from the 3.

THAT, is what I agree with.

Stop out-thinking yourself and have this team emotionally prepared at the beginning of the season, and for a full 60 minutes every F'n week. You don't have to be more clever than the other guy. You just have to be better.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

nyrpack
Veteran Member

9 years ago

i give the nod to holmgren, Mike McCarthy isnt bad, but he does make you scratch your head at times !!

jimmy b.

blueleopard
Member

9 years ago

I wanna say it's a no brainer, but in McCarthy's defense, Holmgren had the best coaching staff and GM in Packers history.

Danreb Victorio A Believer of Greg Jennings

dfosterf
Veteran Member

9 years ago

You people are nuts. Mike McCarthy SUCKS as a press conference-guy, but he is an OUTSTANDING coach and technician of the game. We are lucky to have him. He does completely dumb-assed shit from time to time, but as far as I'm concerned, he is authorized to do so.

Holmgren had Lord Favre under control, and he did not suck as a coach, overall.... Holmgren was a very good coach then and Mike McCarthy is now.

I can't believe I dig this friggin' toll taker so much, but I do, lol

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Holmgren was better. He knew how to use a run game, he knew how to run a screen game, he knew how to use the short passing game. McCarthy has been somewhat carried by having what until recently had been considered the best top to bottom receiving corp in the NFL.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

You play to the strengths of your players and what the defense gives you. The Packers WRs under Mike McCarthy have been much better than what they were under MH. Don't hold it against Mike McCarthy that the offense isn't run identically, or the plays you like to see (screens) aren't utilized as often as under MH.

If MH had Greg, DD, Cobb, Jordy, and Finley, you may have seen a different offense in the '90s as well.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

Mike Holmgren wasn't shit without Fritz Shurmur. Mike McCarthy wins in spite of Dom Capers.

McCarthy is a superior play caller, although, Holmgren wasn't afraid to let his OC call the plays. There was one game I recall that Holmgren actually said he was too "pissed off" to keep calling plays. McCarthy wouldn't do that, he's too stubborn.

Regardless of whom is "better", I am thankful we Packers fans had them both because they each brought home the trophy.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Perhaps Holmgren and Shurmur were just able to work good together. Where McCarthy and Dom don't?

Being such a superior offensive mind and the head coach, you would think that he would be able point out where he would attack Dom's defenses in order to help them improve. Are all these other offensive coaches that are exposing the defense seeing things that McCarthy isn't.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (1h) : Bears are sending RB Khalil Herbert to the Bengals, per sources.

Zero2Cool (1h) : ZaDarius Smith continues his "north" tour.

Zero2Cool (2h) : Let the Chiefs trade a 5th for him

Zero2Cool (2h) : Nearing 30, large contract, nope.

Martha Careful (15h) : any interest in Marshon Lattimore?

Zero2Cool (17h) : What does NFL do if they're over cap?

Mucky Tundra (17h) : They've been able to constantly push it out through extensions, void years etc but they're in the hole by 72 million next year I believe

hardrocker950 (18h) : Seems the Saints are always in cap hell

Mucky Tundra (18h) : Saints HC job is not an envious one; gonna be in cap hell for 3 years

Mucky Tundra (18h) : Dennis Allen has now been fired twice mid-season with Derek Carr as his starting QB

Zero2Cool (19h) : Kuhn let go

beast (21h) : I wonder if the Packers would have any interest in Z. Smith, probably not

Zero2Cool (21h) : Shefter says Browns and Lions will figure out how to get a deal done for Za'Darius Smith..

Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Packers are more likely to have 1,000 yard rusher than 4,000 yard passer

Zero2Cool (3-Nov) : It's raining hard.

Zero2Cool (3-Nov) : Packers inactives vs. Lions: CB Jaire Alexander S Evan Williams C Josh Myers Non-injury inactives: WR Malik Heath OL Travis Glover DE Bren

packerfanoutwest (3-Nov) : Malik Willis: My focus is helping the Packers win, not proving I can start elsewhere. But he could

Zero2Cool (1-Nov) : I had Texans, but the loss of another WR flipped me

wpr (1-Nov) : I thought about taking the Jets but they've been a disaster. Losing to the Pats last week

Zero2Cool (1-Nov) : Surprised more didn't pick Jets in Pick'em.

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM

Vikings

Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM

BEARS