nerdmann
10 years ago

Entering Thursday's game, the Packers ranked tied for 17th in the NFL in scoring defense, which takes into account all points scored by opponents. They jumped to ninth (at 21.2 points per game allowed) after the game.

Rob Demovsky  wrote:


“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
musccy
10 years ago
Points allowed isn't enough to assess the play of the defense. Obviously last night the team was firing on all cylinders, the secondary played well, great pass rush, serviceable run defense...little to no complaints. However, this is coming 4 days off the Packers being ranked dead last in the league in run defense and allowing 250 yards.

DakotaT
10 years ago
All this defense has to do is hold the opponent under 20 pts a game and we should win most games played. I could give a shit about stats and rankings. We once had the #1 offense and #1 defense in the '96 Packers, a severely underated team on the all time list.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago
Defense has not shown steady improvement...it played Jay Cutler and Christian Ponder. I'm sure it will "improve" vs. Ryan freaking Tannehill, too.

Let's see how this D looks when it goes to New Orleans. We'll be able to tell if it's improved or just played poor teams. I'm starting to wonder if the week we played Detroit if Megatron wasn't injured then, too.

One thing I can't stand...a guy like Guion who is BRUTAL plays well last night. Why? He's MOTIVATED. This Packers team only plays well like any team anywhere when it's motivated. Rodgers is clearly motivated now that he's heard the criticism...that is his fuel. I expect an egg from him soon as the praise gets louder and louder.

We need a MOTIVATING presence on this team whether it's DC, HC, position coach or player(s).
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DakotaT
10 years ago

Defense has not shown steady improvement...it played Jay Cutler and Christian Ponder. I'm sure it will "improve" vs. Ryan freaking Tannehill, too.

Let's see how this D looks when it goes to New Orleans. We'll be able to tell if it's improved or just played poor teams. I'm starting to wonder if the week we played Detroit if Megatron wasn't injured then, too.

One thing I can't stand...a guy like Guion who is BRUTAL plays well last night. Why? He's MOTIVATED. This Packers team only plays well like any team anywhere when it's motivated. Rodgers is clearly motivated now that he's heard the criticism...that is his fuel. I expect an egg from him soon as the praise gets louder and louder.

We need a MOTIVATING presence on this team whether it's DC, HC, position coach or player(s).

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And I call BS on this whole line of thinking even if it is accurate. These are paid, and let me repeat that, paid professionals. They should not need to be motivated to get excellence from them. High school and college, yes - NFL, not so much.
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Smokey
10 years ago
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GEE , What a pain in the a$$ just to post a picture ! Maybe I'll get it on the next, or the next , or the next try ! [duh]
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uffda udfa
10 years ago
I wish it was BS, Dakota. When do our boys play best? Throw out the cliches... when their backs are against the wall, when they have a chip on their shoulder, etc.

Here's some Guion comments from last night: (JSOnline.com)

For Guion, this game absolutely carried something extra.

“Oh yeah,” he said. “There’s always a little extra when you’re facing your former team. You’re going to be juiced up. You’re going to be ready to go. You want to get out there and play your best.”

“That was kind of driving me tonight, to get out there. They tried to low-ball me,” said Guion, who was released on March 6 by the team. “It is what it is now. I’m with a great team, great organization, great players, great fans, everything is great about Green Bay and I’m just going to be great with Green Bay.”

----So, Guion can play a lot better than he's been playing but he's just not motivated. Yes, you should be able to do your job with all your might because you're getting paid to do so. Not the generation of today.




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macbob
10 years ago
There are a number of factors impacting a D's performance. To try and single out 'motivation' as the difference is pointless and just suits whatever preconceived arguments someone wants to make.

Personnel, scheme, coaching, the opponents we're facing, etc. all play into the D's performance.

Personnel--Not a huge lot of changes since the beginning of the season, but there have been a few (Jones out, Lattimore in, etc).

Scheme--DC tried putting in a new scheme at the beginning of the season, didn't work so well.

Coaching--coaches prepare the players for the schemes as well as for that week's opponents. I have no insights to how those coaches are doing their jobs, but it's possible that they're better preparing the players for the game (including motivating them).

Opponents--last two weeks are teams we know very well--their strengths and weaknesses. That familiarity helps in preparation. Vikings were also a wounded kill--minus AP and having to start Ponder at QB. That's not the steepest defensive challenge. That said, it was the first well-rounded performance by our D this year. I was satisfied with our run D for the first time this season (I was NOT impressed against the Bears--they were gashing us for 9-10 yd gains in the first half).

In any event, no one can prove their side/convince the other in a 'it was their motivation' - 'no it wasn't' argument.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

There are a number of factors impacting a D's performance. To try and single out 'motivation' as the difference is pointless and just suits whatever preconceived arguments someone wants to make.

Personnel, scheme, coaching, the opponents we're facing, etc. all play into the D's performance.

Personnel--Not a huge lot of changes since the beginning of the season, but there have been a few (Jones out, Lattimore in, etc).

Scheme--DC tried putting in a new scheme at the beginning of the season, didn't work so well.

Coaching--coaches prepare the players for the schemes as well as for that week's opponents. I have no insights to how those coaches are doing their jobs, but it's possible that they're better preparing the players for the game (including motivating them).

Opponents--last two weeks are teams we know very well--their strengths and weaknesses. That familiarity helps in preparation. Vikings were also a wounded kill--minus AP and having to start Ponder at QB. That's not the steepest defensive challenge. That said, it was the first well-rounded performance by our D this year. I was satisfied with our run D for the first time this season (I was NOT impressed against the Bears--they were gashing us for 9-10 yd gains in the first half).

In any event, no one can prove their side/convince the other in a 'it was their motivation' - 'no it wasn't' argument.

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In Letroy Guion's case, it absolutely was simply motivation and it's sad he's been unmotivated for 4 of the first 5 games and likely will be until he plays at Minnesota, again.

You may wish to complicate up the simple answer but to diminish the role "motivation" plays is ridiculous. It is a high overriding factor in performance in anything one does.
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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
We obviously don't have the most talented defense in the league, but to be dead last in rush defense is what really has me concerned. I hope to see us in the low 20s by mid-season.
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